Diplomatic contact with the Data Angels

[Illuminatus]

They are not quite happy, especially with insultive tone in the first part of message. I took liberty to inquire if they have or are currently researching Biogenetics and assuring them we will reply to other patrs of message soon. Part of message implies that they might be researching Biogenetics. They've also got their eyes on Unity Rover - we must be careful.

[Illuminatus]

Greetings, Lord Illuminatus!

I can give you a short answer on this one: no, the Data Angels are not in the possession of Biogenetics, so it can be part of a tech trade.

In case our proposal of IndAuto for a low level tech (like Biogenetics) and a unit of our choice (only units the Gaian Union already owns, mind you) is a bit hard to swallow, please let us know. We have quite a few other possibilities to offer in that case.

Also, a question. After some data processing it has come up that the speed at which the Union wishes to acquire Biogenetics indicates that the Gaian Lord of Progress has already decided on a beeline to Bio-engineering. May we know if this assumption has any ground?

This question is also asked for our preliminary setup of a joint research project. Our current project is also in an advanced state so it is wise to discuss agreements regarding this.

Regards,
InfoTrader GeoModder

I responded with this:

GeoModder wrote:
Greetings, Lord Illuminatus!

I can give you a short answer on this one: no, the Data Angels are not in the possession of Biogenetics, so it can be part of a tech trade.

In case our proposal of IndAuto for a low level tech (like Biogenetics) and a unit of our choice (only units the Gaian Union already owns, mind you) is a bit hard to swallow, please let us know. We have quite a few other possibilities to offer in that case.

Your proposal is being taken in consideration, but you should note that most of Lords, including our ambassador to You, is occupied with recreational runing through trees, which occurs regulary every weekend, so it will still take some time before we can give you a definite answer, most probably some time tommorow. We apologize for all past and future delays caused by this. We will try to inform you as soon as our decision has been made.

Also, a question. After some data processing it has come up that the speed at which the Union wishes to acquire Biogenetics indicates that the Gaian Lord of Progress has already decided on a beeline to Bio-engineering. May we know if this assumption has any ground?

This question is also asked for our preliminary setup of a joint research project. Our current project is also in an advanced state so it is wise to discuss agreements regarding this.

Regards,
InfoTrader GeoModder

I do not have authorisation to directly answer you that question, but I do have a proposal in this spirit too: it is in interests of Gaian Union wishes to cooperate with Data Angels, and research cooperation should be one of objectives. What I propose is a treaty between Data Angels and Gaian Union - if you are willing to sign it, I am sure our High Council and Lady Deirdre will sign it too.

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Treaty of Rock-Paper-Scissors

Respective factions of Data Angels and Gaian Union, and their representatives which have met in Angel town of Rock-Paper-Scissors, have agreed to a mutual trade and research pact, in interests of deeper cooperation and friendship between their nations. Terms of the treaty are as following:

1) Both of the signatories agree to mutual cooperation in research and sharing of information.

2) Both of the signatories agree to immediately share all data about technologies they posses, technologies currently being developed as well estimated years of their completion.

3) Both of the signatories agree to share their future plans for research and beelines.

4) Both of the signatories agree to mutually assist one another in research and conduct joint research projects.

5) Both of the signatories agree to inform one another as soon as possible if they receive technology through unexpected events, such as receiving them via Unity Pods, trade with other factions or unexpected breakthroughs.

6) Terms of this Treaty will be set in motion with signing of the treaty.


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Terms are negotiable. I am sure that your positive response will be followed by positive response of Gaian Union. I will propose this to our High Council too.

Lord Administrator Illuminatus
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I believe such treaty is in interest for both of us, and I recommend accepting it if they agree. We need to wait their response, and possible modifications though. Also, we need to determine our response to their new proposal.

[Illuminatus]

WHERE IS EVERYBODY?

No comments? Anyway, there are two Spartans on Eventis, GT and Kassi, both have nine posts in hidden forum. However, since there aren't any Morgans registered, and Drogue has not created forums in advance for our future discussions with Morgan and Sparta there is only one conclusion: Spartans have met Angels.

[Drogue]

Illu: Kassi has been registered on Eventis since before I was. I will make no comment on private forums, nor who has met who, however I will say that Eventis is used as private forums for many games, both from other games, DGs, and other team games. Read into the registrations what you will, but wrt Eventis, there is always more than one conclusion.

[binTravkin]

Hey I think the answer is ok, but we should really take the offer (future tech + unit for IA)!

..but the "rock-paper-scissors" treaty is still to be discussed about (it can wait now, can't it?)

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Drogue
Illu: Kassi has been registered on Eventis since before I was. I will make no comment on private forums, nor who has met who, however I will say that Eventis is used as private forums for many games, both from other games, DGs, and other team games. Read into the registrations what you will, but wrt Eventis, there is always more than one conclusion.

You should not comment then.

[Illuminatus]

BinTravkin, they are thinking about the treaty too. However I would offer them SL and future tech - somehow I don't like the idea of giving them Unity Rover, yet.

[binTravkin]

Ok then,but those rules seemed a bit tough to me..

Im for treaty, of course, for peaceful relations, but I dislike much ruling as they slightly rise the possibility of distrust and war!

[Illuminatus]

We can reduce the number of rulings.

[binTravkin]

2) Both of the signatories agree to immediately share all data about technologies they posses, technologies currently being developed as well estimated years of their completion.

5) Both of the signatories agree to inform one another as soon as possible if they receive technology through unexpected events, such as receiving them via Unity Pods, trade with other factions or unexpected breakthroughs

IMO, those 2 should unified in such edition:


2) Both of the signatories agree to immediately share all data about technologies they posses, technologies currently being developed as well estimated years of their completion and keep the other side updated whenever status changes.


if explanation needed, you can add:

"status change" means an event when one side either:

1.unexpectedly achieves a tech
2.acquires a tech by trade
3.the turn time to completion of a tech changes nonlinearly (not -1/turn)

[smacksim]

Let 'em take their pick of units, perhaps with the exception of the unity foil. If they request a worm, we can ship one over. Don't give 'em a unit on our continent, of course! (not that this is possible unless their territory extends on to our continent)

IA will be a huge boon to us, and the turns saved against the next tech are significant. Let's give em the SL and the Rover for IA and Biogen. Refuse to study a higher tech. We need Biogen/SocPsych much more than anything but Bioengineering/restriction lifting.

I think the sentiment so far is to accept the deal. I think you should go ahead and accept it now, before our turn, so we can complete it during ourturn/theirturn, this cycle.

We can pop the fungal tower, but not the pod, then turn over both units to Angels. But we should be sure to know what unit(s) they really want first, b/c they cannot turn them back to us: wrong territory .

"We accept your suggestion of your choice of unit and a L1 tech for IA, with the following restriction: We will not turn over any naval unit or probe unit, and no units on our own continent.

As a suggestion, We have a rover and SL on your continent. Please accept both of them and treat their crews well. If, on the other hand, you'd like a mindworm, that can be arranged, however, we will need some turns to bring such a creature to your continent.

If this is an acceptable deal to you, let us know soon so that we may turn over these units to you on our turn and you may transmit IA to us on your turn. We have X years to complete our next research, at which time we will immediately send you the information on Biogenetics. It is not possible for us to research a higher level tech at this time."

Or something like that.

[Ouro_827]

SL and Bio for IA

[smacksim]

What, they agreed to that?

If not, I say just give them both. That's much easier than waiting for another diplo cycle as they are likely to accept it.

[Illuminatus]

smacksim, they don't have Bio. They are asking if we are researching it.

[binTravkin]

SL and Bio for IA

Is it so hard to understand that they already agree to this deal and this deal is good to us too?!?