Diplomatic contact with the Data Angels

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by smacksim
Good work Illuminatus. I can't quite make complete sense of the deliberations, but it looks like you are thinking we will get a commlink out of them anyways? And no foil? That would be more than fair.

I doubt it. No foil, but we may get IA for two units +Bio. Their refusal to clarify which comlink it is puzzling. Either they a) met Hive b) met Lal/Zak - and they wanted foil to transport their probes for sharing information

[smacksim]

If they are willing to use their probes, I think we should consider giving them a lift, which means loaning the foil. We could both benefit from their probe operations. But yeah, no sense in giving them the foil if we didn't have to!

[Chaos Theory]

At Eventis, the Angels have accepted IA for spore launcher + unity rover + Biogenetics. I answered for them some straightforward questions. In particular, we do not know for certain if we can research Biogenetics next turn.

We should review what this trade means:
We receive Biogenetics (effectively)
They receive Biogenetics
We give a mostly-worthless spore launcher to them
We give an encumbered, but still useful unity rover to them

[smacksim]

The sorry thing is that the SL and rover will be re-homed to Rock-Paper-Sci, making the SL even less useful to them, while the rover will eat some support value. Too bad they couldn't be kept independent.

[binTravkin]

Ok, then let's do it and basta, I'm getting tired of talks of giving foil to them..

[Illuminatus]

The value we give to our respective offers is appearantly a bit to disparitive. I therefore call of this request for negotiations for the time being.

As for Progenitor Psych, I am sure I told already that the Data Angels are in the possession of this technology. Perhaps some miscommunications with Lord Ouro (again!)?

Also, may we ask after next turn the year at which the Gaians present research is finished? In case the Union probes the Hive successfully this year will probably change, so we wish for an update.

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Well, story behind this is short - Angels proposed AP for commlink with Spartans and our charts! I told them that deal is far too poor, that we do not consider Applied Physics of much value, and that they will need to increase their offer, and I also mentioned that our maps are extensive and too valuable to be traded for such a low offer. I also inquiered if PP is available for trade, and that we may trade the commlink for PP or ecs. This is how he responded.

[Chaos Theory]

Why are we trying to obtain Progenitor Psych? I value it quite a bit less than Applied Physics.

[Illuminatus]

Well, I thought we could use sth else. I guess we should for AP then?

[Illuminatus]

I proposed commlink and 15 credits + screenshot of their continent for AP. Apparently they are discussing if to accept the offer. If they accept we will get AP and 10 credits from both Spartans and Angels MY 2143.

[Illuminatus]

This is map info I will send Angels.

[binTravkin]

If they accept we will get AP and 10 credits from both Spartans and Angels MY 2143

Youre damn smart my dear Illuminatus!

[Illuminatus]

Perhaps I phrased it badly - what I meant was that in total we will get AP and 10 credits from them. I still do not believe that we will succed in timing - it is crucial that Spartans accept their part of the deal as Angels will have to.

[Ouro_827]

Is AP the only tech that the Spartans will trade us? We should get a different tech from each...

[binTravkin]

So can anyone get a list of the techs they're willing to trade?

[Illuminatus]

Spartans will not trade us AP - they will give us 25 credits. Iritant Angels will trade us AP for commlink and 15 credits. 25-15=10 credits + AP.