Angels MY 2131-2140

[Mart]

From what I deduced, if they have no other contacts they really may have less techs than we:
Cent Eco. 2101
Inf Net. 2107
Pla Net 2116
Ind Base 2124
Ind Eco 2131
and now Ind Auto 213...

Do they have Doc Flex? Quite possible they don't, but I can be wrong.

[FlameFlash]

True, they could have just gotten a pod popped one, after all.

[GeoModder]

Yes, that thought occured to me as well. But atm we need that foil more then they do IMO.

Just came back from Eventis. I saw that GeneralTacticus (a Spartan) also joined that site today. Checking on his posts they appear hidden. Wonder if the Spartans have a diplo thread there too (perhaps with the Gaians as well but unlikely).

In any case, Drogue your idea for putting 'secret' forums on the same site in that case has backfired a bit for with the sort of data gathering I just did anyone can count on his fingers that factions have met.

O yes, I noticed that 'someone' on Eventis changed my very first post in the diplo thread. This does not look promising I must say.
Could you press to the mods that it is important to stay put with the little Eventis jokes from the thread?

[FlameFlash]

What's this Evenits? Some kind of private forum place?

If we want private forums for everybody talking with us I can happily set some more up that would be a little more secure than this Evenits.

Allowing the mods entry as well, of course, and if they insist on it, administrative status (edit/delete posts).

[GeoModder]

It's a public forum, and Drogue has setup a private (hidden) subforum for our diplomatic talks with the Gaians. Check on http://eventis.ssxh.net .

[GeoModder]

turn 2136 report

• We negotiated a tech exchange with the Gaians, IndAuto for Biogen, a Spore Launcher and a Unity Rover.
• Our first crawler in the field!! --> it's roaming the forests
• Colony pod and Unity Rover have bypassed the Hive synth, no casualties.
• Hurried the former production of Googlieplex with 8 ec's.
• Kahlua Probing is constructing a cp now. I finished in 4 turns, and base grows in 4 turns. Nice planning.
• Cp has arrived for the founding of our next base: Verres' Loft, to give our Moderator a place to loosen up now and then , not to mention a birthday gift...
• Had to restrain the Gaians from benevolently destroying the FT near RPS. Trying to get our cash away no doubt.

Question: Does a spore launcher counts as a garrison (meaning prevents drone riots) in a base? Asking because in 3 turns Kodycryptor will grow, but has no base defender as long as that Hive Synth wants to come pay us a visit. If an SL can be used as a garrison I could shuffle a bit around with the other base defenders so we don't need to pull the doctor card in Kodycryptor.

[GeoModder]

Turn 2137 planning

We need to say to the Gaians whether or not the Tech Treaty is signed. FlameFlash still had a question, is that answered to your satisfaction, FF?

If accepted, I propose to let the Gaians start researching Doc:Mob, we can take over for Doc:Flex when we receive it and (finally) go in the open seas with probe foils or transports loaded with probe teams.
It becomes obvious that we're lagging behind in the power graph. I propose to save 40 ec's and change our economic setting to increase either popgrowth/production or our economy.
Are we willing to exchange worldmaps with the Gaians? They have probably a whole lot more cartographic data then we do.

O yes, the Gaians have met the Hive according to the Diplo screen. And on Eventis Illu slipped an interest only in the comlinks for PK's/Uni/Morgans. Hive and Spartans were not favoured it seems. He also slipped that that the Gaians have only the IndAuto beeline and CentEco, but that is old news, and quite obselete in light of a Tech Treaty.

• I plan to rehome our new rover to Verres' Loft (is now to RPS)
• Forgot to mention in previous post, popped the pod near that FT, a forest appeared out of it. Nice base site thus and a good counter for fungus spreading in that area.

That's about it, I wait with posting the turn untill someone can give me advice about the spore launcher preventing riots and someone 'chatting' with Yang.

Here's the screenshot.

[Mart]

Geo, reply in a minute....
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Ok, just checked some stuff:

Question: Does a spore launcher counts as a garrison (meaning prevents drone riots) in a base?

I have checked in a scenario editor. It appears, that it does count as police. So you can use it for drone riots.

About Kahlua Probing colony pod - presently there is accumulating last nutrient row. It means that if colony pod was completed this turn - it wouldn't decrease population from 2 to 1, but it would stay at 2. Let 2 turns accumulate and in 2138 hurry last minerals in that colony pod.

You may change Kodycryptor worker from forest to monolith. Presently it is 3-2-1, and we lack only 4 nutrients for growth. This way in 2137 we will loose 2 excessive nutrients. If you change this turn to monolith we will have 2-2-2, no nutrient loss and we gain 2EC!

It's nice to see an additional rover and SL.

[GeoModder]

Ah, I overlooked that issue in Kodycryptor. Thanks!
Why 2 turns waiting instead of 3 for hurrying the cp production in Kahlua? It's the same result and we save a few ec's with it?

Income is now 13 ec's a year, research time stayed the same. ProgPsych is finished in 2 years.

I'll start moving the RPS scout to Kodycryptor then.

No 'chat' with Yang?

[FlameFlash]

Actually, the production, from my experience, happens before pop-growth, so if we spend to make it 4 turns to produce the cp and 4 turns to grow to 2 you'll get the warning, "are you sure you want to disband?"

I also posted in the diplo-thread, but I'll mention here: just want to make sure they know that it's just a tech planning treaty as opposed to a tech trade treaty. The last thing I want is to see them wanting to go to war with us because their interpretation was different than yours, Geo. Otherwise, I like it.

Also looks good on the cp on its way to block the Hive synth in our territory. How many defenders are we going to build for Heaven's Gate? (sounds like the perfect time to use that name, after all.)

[FlameFlash]

BTW, them going Doc: Flex sounds good if they have the same interpretation of the treaty as we do.

Also, Yang didn't want to talk. Certainly a friendly neighbor, that's for sure.

Is it wise to preaccept the tech to the gaians though? Or do they have to have us do that so they can switch to biogen without any negatives?

[Mart]

I think they need Ind Auto fast to avoid researching it. Geo, you mentioned smth like that they need it this turn. If they get IndAuto from us - yes - they switch to Biogen without loosing any accumulated research points.
We got our units. Can we trust them to give Biogen then? It seems like we have no choice.

[Mart]

Originally posted by GeoModder
Why 2 turns waiting instead of 3 for hurrying the cp production in Kahlua?

It's actually equal choice more or less. EC will be needed. In my single player I prefer hurrying buildings over hurrying units. It's more efficient, I think.

[GeoModder]

Ok, I respond more indept about the Treaty questions in the Plug-in thread, I haven't posted every nifty detail question I asked on Eventis, just the highlights.

For Heaven's Gate: Now we got a rover and a probe team past the Synth. If we build a scout patrol in the base after founding we got sufficient defenses for this part of the game IMHO.
For Kahlua production, we got sufficient time to discuss the benefits of when to hurry I think, it's a minor issue atm.

[GeoModder]

'kay, need some advice.

With the founding of Verres' Loft we have hit our b-limit.
The result is that Verres' Loft starts with a drone pop, and Kahlua Probing's second pop is a drone as well. Next turn Enigma Machine will grow from 1 to 2 pop. Does anyone know if that base will have a b-drone as well with it's second pop? In short, do I need to put a doctor as well in EM?