ColdWizard, Ben and Boann. Check in here.

[SlowwHand]

This is my proposal. Monday and/or Sunday at 5 Mountain, 6 Central and 7 Eastern.
Can y'all make this time week-to-week?

[ColdWizard]

I should be able to make that time on most Sundays. Mondays would be more prone to being asked to work late but possibly do-able.

[boann]

wow, logging in here feels like some time warp. lol
sunday or monday should be fine

[Ben Kenobi]

Sunday would be great.

Hey, you can switch city production? Cool.

[Ben Kenobi]

So what are the parameters going to be?

I'm ok with Rah rules, though I could live w/o 2x production, and different map settings. What does everyone else think?

Level: Deity
Barbarians: Raging Hordes
Production: 2x
Movement: 1x
Map size: 39x49 for 4 player, 37x47 or smaller for 3 player (map size varies, the only consistent factor is TINY ROCK)
Landmass: Large
Landform: Continents
Climate: Wet
Temp: Cool
Age: 3 Billion
# of Civs: 4 (ideal, 3 if necessary), no AI
Time limit: None
Huts
Turn-based

2. Special stipulations
2a. Not Allowed: Taking too long on your turn without good reason, Stealing Shields (see section 5.), unsinkable boats and non-crashing aircraft, contact with ai (see below), city bribes (see below), alliances, wonder trading, unit teleporting (includes caravans), tech trading, blatant cheats (map peeking, non-unit creation, sabotage proofing, cheat-o-matic, lag-related cheats, etc.), caravan re-homing, selling improvements/disbanding units after losing the city/unit, building the Great Wall in games of 3 players or less, hard feelings.

Contact with AI - One more addition when someone drops and the AI takes over. You many not initiate contact and you must refuse all contact with the AI.

NO city bribe - If the barbs take a city, you OR anyone else may bribe it. BUT, If someone drops out of the game and the AI takes over, and bribes one of your cities. Only the person that owned the city may bribe it back, since it normally shouldn't have been bribed in the first place. AND others should refrain from conquering the city until the original players has taken back control.

2b. Allowed: Incessant whining (see below), automated settlers, unit bribing, incremental buying, black clicking, tech stealing agreements, trade agreements (to allow caravans to be delivered), all other player arrangements (any agreements can broken when advantageous), all wonders (Great Wall is only allowed in games with 4 or more players, other wonders may be banned in duels on player agreement, also see below), pre-worked settlers, clearing settler orders (to increase their productivity), selling improvements/disbanding units before losing the city/unit, diploguiding, Scouse Gits' Magic Hut Finder Program (see below).

Incessant whining - mandatory while enjoying superior starting position with multiple trade specials, especially to annoy those less skillful. Optional at all other times.

In event of a player disconnecting in a 4 player game and not returning, the Great Wall may still be built.

The Hut/Special Finder - don't use it during your turn!

2c. Other: Restart on Artic Start (see section 5.), restart when host gets techs, try not to penalize player drops (reloading if necessary). Upon reloading a save which is prior to the player dropping, all players should recreate their moves to the best of their ability. Airbases, allowed only as real airbases, not allowed in city radius nor allowed to build a line of them to block air lanes. Upgrading warriors to muskets upon discovery of gunpowder is allowed, but further production of warriors after the discovery is not allowed.

3. rules.txt Modifications: Oracle expires with Industrialization.

4. Origination of (as posted by rah)
They are not called RAH rules because I made them up. They have just evolved over time with the group that we play with. The only reason they are called that is because in the early day's i had the fastest machine and a cable modem, therefore, I usually hosted. And they know the name annoys me
[and more from another thread]
Sounds like our early games with XIN, right after MP came out. We all cheated, trying to figure out what we could do. Every 30 minutes or so, XIN would say, found another one. It was always hilarious. After a couple of months we started to discuss which ones we would allow and which ones were banned. That was the beginning of "RAH" rules.

5. Glossary - definitions provided by: Ming, Scouse Git[1], rah, smash, Xin Yu.
Artic Start - defined by starting on the artic with no accessibility to the main continent within 3 squares of your opening position.
caravan re-homing - unlike normal units you cannot hit the 'h' key to change the home of a caravan - however the 'support from this city' option is available from within the city screen - this has led people to believe that rehoming is not an intended feature and hence is a cheat -- the advantage -- imagine all your caravans - even those produced by a poxy 2-city - being rehomed to your size 24 SSC and sent - well anywhere you like!!!
the cheat-o-matic - is a tsr that allows the game parameters to be changed on the fly while the game is running.
diplo-guiding - using a diplomat or spy (or other unit that ignores ZOC) to lead other units through an enemy's zones of control.
disbanding units - disbanding units in anticipation of losing the unit to bribery is allowed so long as it's done before the bribery occurs.
non unit creation - Move a unit from the city that it is homed to, to another city. Now this requires good timing. Open the screen to home it to the new city. Now wait till the machine is switching over to your turn, quickly press the homing selection. If you catch it right, the unit will not home to the new city but become a non-unit.
pre-worked settlers - You start a settler working on something, (like transforming grassland to forest, anything that takes longer than a turn)
Now before he finishes, clear the command. THe turns that he spent working are "saved up" the next command you give him, (if you planned it right) will allow it to be completed in one turn. Hence the term, "pre-worked". This was more useful in 1x1x games for fortress building. In 2x1x games a fortress can be built in one turn, so it's not as critical. BUT it still has many uses. Let's suppose you're sending a settler out to convert some terrain. But barbs pop up so you hold him
near a city for a turn to clear out the barbs. He can start his task and move out later without wasting any time overall.
Sabotage proofing - is similar [to non-unit creation]. when a diplo approaches your city, open the build queue and make ready to buy the item. When the diplo sabotages production, The shields that you had will still be in the box. Buy it up. No lose of shields.
Selling improvements - Selling an improvement in anticipation of losing a city to enemy attack is allowed as long as the sale is conducted prior to the loss of the city.
Stealing Shields - Suppose you have several cities close to one another. If you have all units stationed in these cities hosted by the first of which (in establishing sequence), maybe you can save the maintainance shields for them by re-host units while processing cities. Here's a demonstration. You have 3 cities A B C, in which A is your first city. All of your units in cities B and C are hosted by A. You rush build non-military units or buildings in B and C so that at the beginning of the next turn you'll be sent to city screens of B and C. While in city screens, you re-host units inside cities to B and C, respectively. Since B and C are processed before A, you save the maintainance shields for those units. You then move units in B and C back to A and re-host them before moving back, so that you can save again the next turn. Use of this trick to produce wonders in the same turn as discovering the requisite tech is also disallowed.
Unit teleporting - During your turn, you can move a unit... then gift it to your partner. He then gives it back to you and you can move it again in the same turn. Repeat... You can have unlimited movement. Really nice when you want to move a diplo in on some city.
Unsinkable boats - its done by just moving 2 spaces [or 1 less than its available movement], press W(wait) and using the end turn keyboard shortcut. Same techinque that is used to keep missiles and planes aloft forever if you want.

[SlowwHand]

I'd rather do King, for one thing, rather than put emphasis on "Happy Wonders". If that's what y'all want that's fine though.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'd rather do King, for one thing, rather than put emphasis on "Happy Wonders". If that's what y'all want that's fine though.

So one vote for Deity, one for King. Up to Boann and CW.

[ColdWizard]

Rah rules would be a bit too hardcore for me these days. While I don't remember a lot about those games, I'm pretty sure "relaxed", "casual", or "friendly" were never in those games (before and after, sure, but not during).

King sounds good to me.

[Ben Kenobi]

Rah rules would be a bit too hardcore for me these days. While I don't remember a lot about those games, I'm pretty sure "relaxed", "casual", or "friendly" were never in those games (before and after, sure, but not during).

Hehehe. Ok. So King it is. What about map size and production? Do we want to have AIs or no? Is slowwy going to host?

[SlowwHand]

I'd as soon not have any AI,but whatever is fine. Medium land. I don't mind hosting, but if you want all this special stuff though, I think you better host.
I haven't played in several years, so I'm just this side of a beginner, I imagine.

[Ben Kenobi]

I don't mind hosting, but if you want all this special stuff though, I think you better host.

The last time I played MP was under rah rules. That's the only reason I brought it up. I have never had the honor of playing with you and boann and would much rather play with the settings you like.

If it's 'whatever you want to have', then it's fine by me. I'll just show up on Sunday.

[ColdWizard]

So I will propose:

King
1x1x
World Size: Normal
Land Mass: Normal
Land Form: Continents
Climate: Wet
Temperature: Cool
Age: 4 billion years

No AI (4 Civs)
All Humans Can Chat from start

Stipulations:
Don't be an ass (mandatory)
Incessant whining (optional)

I'm partial to the incessant whining in a nostalgic kind of way. I can live without it though. Incidentally, I always associated that rule with Ming. I swear one time he had something like 2 whales, a gold and a grape for his starting position and the way he talked about it you would have thought he started in a mixture of tundra and desert. (I knew he had a great start though, I'd gotten to know him by then and he'd kicked up the rhetoric a notch).

However, I should not host as my connection has been reliably unreliable for the past month. Once or more per day I have to switch the router off and back on in order to reestablish internet connectivity.

[SlowwHand]

I don't know how much of an honor it is, Ben. I appreciate the thought. Boann and I were in the same Tribe, co-founders. Had many games involving Da Wiz.
Let's see if Boann can grope her way to the thread again. She's kind of old, you know. It's a pretty iffy thing.

[Ben Kenobi]

I don't know how much of an honor it is, Ben.

Hell, I still owe you a dinner after you treated me and my bro at the VFW.

Let's see if Boann can grope her way to the thread again. She's kind of old, you know. It's a pretty iffy thing

Old? Nah. I thought she was cute and you were a meathead.

[Ben Kenobi]

I swear one time he had something like 2 whales, a gold and a grape for his starting position and the way he talked about it you would have thought he started in a mixture of tundra and desert.

I used to play Spain whenever I played with the twins. So I could be Torquemada. Had lots of fun with them. They are way, way better players than I. I just tried to keep up and not get my butt whupped.

Settings are fine by me. I don't think I've played King since what? 1999? Bumped up to Diety in first year university...