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Originally posted by Old n Slow
Not to worry -- Kenobiville has two warriors and a horse & a crusader coming from next door.
Besides, you get the glory of constructing a palace in your city!
Yes, now that we have Masonry, a Palace must be constructed by each player in his city, during his turns, henceforth
Thanks for updating the playlist SG[1]
"I'm a guy - I take everything seriously except other people's emotions"
"Never play cards with any man named 'Doc'. Never eat at any place called 'Mom's'. And never, ever...sleep with anyone whose troubles are worse than your own." - Nelson Algren
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin (attr.)
75 bc (0)
Sliders adjusted to 70-30-0 gives us net 21 g and 46 turns to Republic
Change Lagomorphia production orders to Library (though the floor plans that I have seen have me wondering about the architect. This "Library" has a very grand design , I would think it could be transformed into a Palace at a later date ...if my successor should decide to do so of course )
Interturn:
Barbs outside of Kenobicave move - lone Archers to Mountain, Archers and Leader (the hidden unit my predecessor referred to ) move to Grassland
50 bc (1)
Attack Barb Archer (and Leader ) with Kenobicave Horsemen (Horse wins, though it is in the red); Loss of leader as I didn't think we could afford to have two archers attack the city and I didn't like the odds against archer on mountain prepared for criticism if others dissagree
Rush remainder of Caravan in Spare Oval as we have some future production ideas for Spare Oval
Change orders in Kenobicave from Caravan to Warrior (as I suspect we may lose on to the Barbs )
Interturn:
Barb Archers attack Kenobicave and kill a warrior defender (Population decrease from 5 to 4); Barb is left in the red...still on the mountain though
25 bc (2)
Spare Oval completes copper caravan and starts Palace construction (the People beleive that Pax STYOM has benefitted too greatly from having the palace there, and choose Spare Oval as the most logical choice to replace it.......and if you disagree....go build your own palace! )
Crusaders from Pax STYOM arrive in Kenobicave and easily finish off Barb Archers on Mountain; Promoted to veteran for their efforts
Interturn:
Chinese develop Mathematics
1 AD (3)
Not much happens, caravans move that's about it
Interturn:
French Government overthrown, a check of the Foreign Ministry tells me that they are now in Monarchy (not sure what they were in before though)
20 AD (4)
Git's Hut completes Spice Caravan
Settlers between Kenobicave and Pax STYOM complete mining of hidden special, River becomes Pheasant Forrest River
Hides Caravan from Lagomorphia outside Sparta (Hides no longer demanded )
Interturn:
Babylonians overthrown (again a check of the Foreign Ministry reveals them to now be in Monarchy)
Egyptians develop Monarchy
40 AD (5)
Hides caravan from Lagomorphia arrives in Sparta (which as I said above no longer demands it but I delivere anyway, for a trade bonus of 14 Gold )
Interturn:
French develop mathematics
60 AD (6)
Not much happens
Interturn:
Babylonians start Great Library
Babylonians acquire Mysticism from the Egyptians
Egyptians acquire Construction from the Babylonians
Babylonians and Egyptians sign a peace treaty
80 AD (7)
Sliders adjusted to 30-70-0 (as we now have enough money for a "special project" I have been working on
Net Income= 10 G, Discoveries take 22 turns
Interturn:
No reports
100 AD (8)
Spice from Git's Hole arrives in Sparta (42 Gold)
Horsemen from Kenobicave explore to the North
Rush remainder of Palace in Spare Oval (152 Gold)
Attempted to sell palace in Pax STYOM results in the following message:
"You cannot sell your palace, although you may relocate it by ordering another city to buld one"
/me has never tried to sell a palace before, but I thought it was worth a try
Interturn:
No reports
120 AD (9)
Spare Oval completes Palace
Population of now exceeds 600 000 people
Spare Oval Copper arrives in Lagomorphia 24 Gold
Pax STYOM Hides arrive in Delphi (Greek) 76 Gold
Interturn:
No reports (AI have moved regularly, but they are strangely quiet...more on this below)
140 AD (10)
Pax STYOM completes Silver Caravan; Still producing another Caravan
Settlers complete highway between Spare Oval and Sad King Julius (including road on Mountain Gold that is not currently in use but should be very soon)
That's it for me, not a lot happened, Palace construction took a lot of resources, didn't leave a lot for much else.
We are just over half way to Republic (new discoveries take 21 turns)
We have 189 Gold in our treasury, and Jrabbit should have a fairly easy time to produce a Palace if he converts the partially built Library in Lagomorphia
The Foreign Minister reports that we are Moderate (oops, we were Strong before) and that the Chinese have passed us on the powergraph
I was reluctant to talk to the AI as they are mainly hostile towards us, though this is different for me then SP, I would talk to them anyway, demand tribute anyway, and if they declare war, talk to them again in a couple turns and often get gold for a cease fire. However, playing this game i do not want to cause a war so I avoided talking to them altogether and to be honest, I am prepared for the opinions, but I don't understand this change in strategy either
/me passes the torch of Leadership to Jrabbit , looking forward to my next turn already
"Clearly I'm missing the thread some of where the NFL actually is." - Ben Kenobi on his NFL knowledge
My only issue was with killing the barb king. Rush defender instead. If the city goes Barb, we can get it back or use as NONE factory. (Edit: After reviewing rules, not clear if we can reclaim our own city from barbs or if it must be razed...)
** -Jrabbit prepares for reign of palacial splendor. Schools of diplomacy and camel husbandry commissioned. **
Apolyton's Grim Reaper2008, 2010 & 2011 RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms
I didn't want to kill the Barb King either, but the two archers up against our two warriors and one horsemen was a battle I didn't want to fight (and this point in the game took the most mulling over on my part).
I debated between attacking the archer on the mountain (no leader) with the horse, but didn't like the odds of that battle. Leaving both Archers to attack would have likely meant a loss of both warrior defenders (and 2 population points).
You are right that I could have rushed a defender (archer? crusader?) but whichever I choose, I didn't have a lot of gold to work with (at the time) and wasn't sure if I would be able to build the palace in my allotted 10 turns. In hindsight, I probably could have done it, but who knew at the time
/me waiting for more constructive criticism
Sidenote: While I am on the topic of "constructive criticism" what is meant by "white goods". I have seen reference in a number of threads, but am unsure if it refers to Infrastructure or something to do with caravans or something else entirely.
"Clearly I'm missing the thread some of where the NFL actually is." - Ben Kenobi on his NFL knowledge
White goods are city improvements -- Marketplaces, Libraries, Mass Transit, SDI Defense, Barracks, etc.
The Scouse Gits theory is that, once the initial shields are there (on turn production), you might as well just buy them. No incremental bonuses, so why waste time. If thery're worth having, bring 'em on line and get back to building camels... (something like that...)
Apolyton's Grim Reaper2008, 2010 & 2011 RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms
Originally posted by -Jrabbit
Downloaded and mailed to the home comp...
Very nice log, Sparrowhawk.
My only issue was with killing the barb king. Rush defender instead. If the city goes Barb, we can get it back or use as NONE factory. (Edit: After reviewing rules, not clear if we can reclaim our own city from barbs or if it must be razed...)
What the heck, so long as it's not my city that becomes a barbarian farm
To clarify, yes, we can recapture cities. But we don't have so many that we can afford to lose the ones we have, IMO.
Good turns
"I'm a guy - I take everything seriously except other people's emotions"
"Never play cards with any man named 'Doc'. Never eat at any place called 'Mom's'. And never, ever...sleep with anyone whose troubles are worse than your own." - Nelson Algren
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin (attr.)
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The year is 140 AD and King Lagomorph takes stock of the realm. We have a grand total of 6 cities and 600,000 ppl with a tax rate of 30-70-00, yielding 10 GP/turn and a tech rate of 20. We're at war with the Chinese and French. We share our island with the Greeks, and have maps of 3 distant civs
Our tech list (studying for The Republic) does not look strong, but neither does anyone else's (thank you MPE!). We have 189 GP in the treasury and need infrastructure badly. Tha means temples, roads, etc. some trade routes would be nice, too. As would Navigation (missing Math, Astrono, and Seafaring).
Prior to our 10 turns, we buy the required Palace (Thanks, Sparrowhawk! ) and add incremental shields to all 5 camels currently in production. Treasury dips to 55 GP and we press Enter...
160 AD
Warlordian capital moves to Lagomorphia.
KenobiKave disbands a warrior to speed camel, regain lost shield.
Sad King Julius now size 3
Lagomorphia starts Temple, decides a little Xinning will help that tech rate...
180 AD
Bylonians learn Republic, but won't trade. Greeks learn math, start Oracle.
French (supreme) ask to chat, demand Monotheism. Declined. They declare WAR.
PaxSTYOM disbands a warrior.
200 AD
Chinese learn Literacy, change their WoW project from GW to GL.
Sad King Julius builds copper camel, heads for Pax STYOM where it's demanded. Starts temple.
Git's Hole hides completed, pointed to demanding Delphi. Market started.
220 AD
Babylonians turn Republic.
Egypt completes Great Library of Thebes. French, Chinese, Babylonians all switch to Great Wall.
240 AD
French learn Republic, Egyptians learn from GL. None will trade techs.
Git's Hole grows to size 5, complete with civil disorder and a panicky mayor.
Pax STYOM builds spice van, points it at Lagomorphia.
Spare Oval completes crusader, disbands superfluous warrior, starts Temple.
Pax STYOM joins xinning effort.
260 AD
Chinese build Great Wall of Shanghai. Egyptians, Babylonians, French all switch to Oracle.
KenobiKave kamel loaded with Beads, demanded in Spare Oval and Lagomorphia. Temple started.
Lagomorphia temple completed.
280 AD
Egyptians learn seafaring.
Chinese trireme spotted outside KenobiKave.
300 AD
We Finally Learn The Republic!!! Insta-revolt. Lagomorph declared Consul.
Choices are Banking, Feudalism, Medicine, and Seafaring -- We take Seafaring.
Git's Hole hides to Delphi pays 48 GP.
Temples purchased in Git's Hole, Sad King Julius. Sliders moved to 00-20-80.
320 AD
French and Chinese sign peace treaty with each other -- but not with us!
Egyptians build the Oracle of Memphis. French, Greeks, Babs all abandon their thoughts of a WoW.
Empty Chinese trireme viciously attacks KenobiKave. And dies in ignominy.
W; The Consul Day celebrated in Pax STYOM, Git's Hole, Sad King Julius.
Pax STYOM silver (d) delivered to Git's Hole = 60 GP.
340 AD
Lagomorphia joins celebration, starts settlers
Chat with Chinese, who graciously accept our gift of The Republic and grant a cease-fire. No peace treaty, but we do trade Philosophy for Mathematics.
The French demand a chat, but are not nearly as nice as in real life. They boast of their Supreme status and demand Mono again. We decline. The declare war again.
360 AD
French become a Republic.
Our population reaches 1.02 MM.
SKJ copper delivered to KenobiKave, 22 GP. (Pax STYOM lost its demand.)
Consul Lagomorphia, realizing he has overstayed his welcome, retires.
Growth is soon coming to an end, as we have few roads, no boats, and no aqueducts. It's an OEDO hot-year, so my Jedi successor should consider wisely before he begins.
BTW, sorry about the lack of funds for your Palace, obiwan. Good luck with that!
Apolyton's Grim Reaper2008, 2010 & 2011 RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms
Scouse Git (2)La Fayette Adam SmithSolomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
"Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
2015 APOLYTON FANTASY FOOTBALL CHAMPION!
1. STYOM
2. Old n Slow
3. Sparrowhawk
4. Jrabbit
5. Ben Kenobi
6. SG [1]
7. sirsnuggles (missing)
8. Julius Brenzaida
9..
"I'm a guy - I take everything seriously except other people's emotions"
"Never play cards with any man named 'Doc'. Never eat at any place called 'Mom's'. And never, ever...sleep with anyone whose troubles are worse than your own." - Nelson Algren
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin (attr.)
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preparing for robust and constructive criticism 
This "Library" has a very grand design 
, I would think it could be transformed into a Palace at a later date 
...if my successor should decide to do so of course 
) move to Grassland
) with Kenobicave Horsemen (Horse wins, though it is in the red); Loss of leader as I didn't think we could afford to have two archers attack the city and I didn't like the odds against archer on mountain 
prepared for criticism if others dissagree 
)
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, looking forward to my next turn already 
and need infrastructure badly. Tha means temples, roads, etc. some trade routes would be nice, too. As would Navigation (missing Math, Astrono, and Seafaring).
The Consul Day celebrated in Pax STYOM, Git's Hole, Sad King Julius.
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