Lizzy's rise to greatness

[Hercules]

This attack would undermine our position towards all other civs..

The evidence from other games suggests having a secure alliance with another civ(s) and then going to war is more successful.


And also what Mz says.

[mzprox]

New turn:

We have killed the lion, though not without injury, we need two turns to heal. (4/5 xp)
Bellerophon is waiting to make contact later.
Goldmine is ready we are second in gnp. this troubles me a bit though. the first one has much bigger GNP than us and I can't see how is that possible. We are researching pottery with 40% bonus and there is no tech which could give more than that. No religion, creative gives only +4 for two cities etc. anyway, it means that one of the civs is roketing her science, maybe with extra goldmines or very early pottery (in that case they must be realmsbeyond)

[Calanthian]

We have killed the lion, though not without injury, we need two turns to heal. (4/5 xp)

Good to see that the wait and fortify strategy worked

On rocketing tech: on the other hand there is no civ very much ahead of us in tech.. and our cottages will kick in soon.

[OzzyKP]

Why not ally? 1+2 together will ensure that both of us will see through to the finish.

I agree completely. Alliances in a game like this are the most important thing. Plus I'm most worried about CFC and Realms Beyond anyhow, so it'd be better to ally with someone else who is doing well (the germans). Let's make contact (like Cal suggested, a double move to throw them off) and then become buddy-buddy.

The civ that is top in GNP probably has met a neighbor so gets the 4 espionage, and tech boost from the neighbor. Or they could be inventing something basic like mining or something.

[Ben Kenobi]

"My lord, let us ally with our neighbours now and ravage them later"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFQDeYXq_iw&feature=relmfu

4:40.

[DNK]

If they have 3 cities and a cultural trait, it's 6culture + 4 ESP, a 10GNP difference.

What's that, like a 25% difference over us? Not knowing the numbers, it's hard to know if that's enough.

[Dinner]

OK, so I vote for peaceful contact.

[mzprox]

So far most in favor in making contact. someone may want to compose a letter for them maybe?

[mzprox]

on GNP: at that time no one had 3 cities (holy rome just has now), gnp from espionage is added even without contact, researching small tech like mining actually makes gnp lower (0% bonus for mining, +40% for pottery), research bonuses from contacts are not that significant.
that particular civ has 8-10 more commerce than us which is a lot. at least we are second..

[Calanthian]

I am available to make Bellerophon's (double) move in the last hour of the turn..

[mzprox]

I am available to make Bellerophon's (double) move in the last hour of the turn..

ok, i just wanted to do it, but i let you. (I wouldn't really do it if it was just up to me, because it's kinda double move, which they might take as an aggressive move on our part. (ok we won't declare war but they will see that we intentionally did this an they might get angry on us)

[Calanthian]

At the same time I'll make a nice peaceloving and all statement via the diplo screen..
so IMO absolutely nothing to be angry about.

[Hercules]

At the same time I'll make a nice peaceloving and all statement via the diplo screen..
so IMO absolutely nothing to be angry about.

Are you sending the message in English or German or both. I know when team Civ.de signed up for the game they knew as did the other teams, English would be the common diplo language, but I wonder if some Deutsch would be seen as a friendly gesture and set a tone.

[Calanthian]

Good suggestion.. as I am Dutch I know a little german..
so both German and English will be good.

Any suggestions for the message are appreciated.
By the way: do we set up an account for the diplo side of this game?

[Calanthian]

I found that we already made an adress:

DOES ANYONE CHECK THIS ADRESS???

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