Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread]

[Russia (DoE)]

I've been in numerous pitbosses where at the end it came to 1vs1 block-wise anyway, but we can try it - let the other players say, but remember my words - the moment 1 block gets atacked, the other 2 will unite to fight him. Or it will be a 2-blocks plot to strike preemptively the third.

With 2 blocks everything is clear and simple We against them.

If we are anyway going to make 3 blocks, we must consider the third block to be formed around Inca-England.

Oh, and maybe because you were not in the game the last 7-8 turns, but China is almost dying - lost half of its cities and a Russian army is on its North border to finish them off. So China is out of the equation - we were suggesting to divide it mostly between India and Mongolia, while Japan take 1 or 2 cities/city spots.

[Calanthian]

If we are anyway going to make 3 blocks, we must consider the third block to be formed around Inca-England.

That's already in: they are the Democrats, those nitwits with no strong leader.. (see my Version 2 proposal)

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

WHATEVER!!! It doesent matter how many you put on Axis side. They are going to lose, because they suck . Lets go already Any alignment is fine with me.

[Russia (DoE)]

I still see a lot of problems - Zulu have no player and till now we all were talking about parting and dividing them. Inca said they are hopeless and I doubt anyone will take them. And AI in this so-closely drawn game is pointless. The same goes to China. China is no more. Now they have 4 cities and the Arabs have invested so much in the China destruction, so it will be impossible just to stop there. Not to say that Mongolia without half the China is hopeless at this point.

Also - India and Ica/England in one block?!? No way this to happen We are after (or before?) all humans - we had accumulated feelings and love and hatred - I dont know if those can just be erased with magic wand.

[Russia (DoE)]

Why we have to complicate the things with 3 almost impossible alliances? The world IS already divided in two - lets just balance this and play the game. This IS the world we created in this game - why would we change it to something completely different and alien?

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Why we have to complicate the things with 3 almost impossible alliances? The world IS already divided in two - lets just balance this and play the game.

This whole thing is pointless. If we are designing alliances that mirror the old ones, then the ONLY difference is that now the alliances are fixed and truly no one can switch his allegiance.

I thought that was the whole problem everyone was weeping and crying about?!? That the allainces were too deadlocked and static. So we fix it by creating 3 eternally static blocs?!? WTF?!?

Just start the game from where we left off with no new rules and be done with it. Nothing can save anyone except good play. Step up to the challenge or go suck your thumb. Win or Go Home! Just Do It! Write stories! Write like the wind! Need I say more?

[Russia (DoE)]

For me, the whole issue was with our alliance overpowered (or at least it looked like this to the other alliance - we say "The horror have huge eyes")

But now with 6 vs 8 and 30 turns to prepare, the final showdown will be EPIC! Stories are about to be written and events being cited in a years and games to come

[Russia (DoE)]

Nothing can save anyone except good play

Not exactly. There are wars that can't be won. (oh, man - I still sleep - Bon Jovi someone?)

now the alliances are fixed and truly no one can switch his allegiance.

You have right, maybe we dont even need stating who is with who. Just allow this 30 turns universal (except vs tha AIs) NAP and the things will evolve by themselves.

[Russia (DoE)]

I dont know - after much thinking about it, maybe it is for real best to just continue the game with the 30-turns universal NAP and let the things evolve by themselves.
(I am just too afraid all will gang-bang on me )


Can we hear the opinion of the others and the host?

[America (DoE)]

This whole thing is pointless. If we are designing alliances that mirror the old ones, then the ONLY difference is that now the alliances are fixed and truly no one can switch his allegiance.

I thought that was the whole problem everyone was weeping and crying about?!? That the allainces were too deadlocked and static. So we fix it by creating 3 eternally static blocs?!? WTF?!?

Just start the game from where we left off with no new rules and be done with it. Nothing can save anyone except good play. Step up to the challenge or go suck your thumb. Win or Go Home! Just Do It! Write stories! Write like the wind! Need I say more?

I totally agree; the discussions have given everyone time to think about their future actions, so I'm sure things will change. Don't try to create alliances (EDIT: I mean, don't try to artificially create new alliances), just start the game and see what happens

@ottomans thank you for the flattering words about my gameplay Don't think though that it will keep the yanks from going medieval on yo a$$, yeeeeehaaaw (actually, I don't think America could if it wanted to, seeing as we don't even have the tech to cross the ocean )

[Russia (DoE)]

Yeah, much was said, we have full set of players for the playable nations - lets just start the game! Wohoo!

[OzzyKP]

Three alliances, two alliances, or continuing as is.. I'm fine either way.

I think, if it was understood that the new alliance structure were in place that we could overcome old rivalries. Even if it means... (ick) possibly... (ugh)... perhaps... (eww) working with the French.

Now there certainly is the risk that it'd turn into a 2vs1 war. But it is also possible that it'd be 1on1 with the other alliance just playing both sides and sitting out. Anything is possible. While I"m fine with anything, really, I think I'm kind of leaning toward the three alliances, just as something novel to shake things up a bit.

[OzzyKP]

Ok, let's see if we can call a quick vote!

CHINA PARTITION----------------------------------------------------
This is already happening, but just to make sure everyone is comfortable with it. Vote on whether you think it is appropriate for China to remain AI and have Japan, India, Mongolia, Russia, et al divide them up and eliminate them militarily.

Yes
No

ZULU PARTITION----------------------------------------------------
Someone logs in as the Zulu and gifts cities and units evenly between Israel and the Mali.

Yes
No


All alliance options assumes there is no Zulu or China. Even if people don't like the partition, they will still be AI and non-factors in the game. When voting for alliances and for peace options, please vote yes or no for each option, and then also indicate a preference for one. A winning option needs to have a majority accepting that option (voting yes) and a plurality preferring it.

ALLIANCE OPTION 1----------------------------------------------------

Axis (fascists):
Neandor-France-Viking-Arabia-India-Mongolia-Natives-America

Communists (or democrats):
Russia-Turkey-Inca-England-Japan-Mali

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ALLIANCE OPTION 2----------------------------------------------------

Fascist Alliance:
Neandor-Arabia-Japan-Vikings-Egypt

Communist Alliance:
Russia-Native America-Ottomans-Mongolia-Mali

Democrat Alliance:
England-Inca-France-America-India

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ALLIANCE OPTION 3----------------------------------------------------

The game continues organically from here with no enforced alliances.

Yes
No
This is my preference.


ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 1----------------------------------------------------

30 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 2----------------------------------------------------

20 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 3----------------------------------------------------

10 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 4----------------------------------------------------

No non-aggression pact. Continue as normal.

Yes
No
This is my preference.

[Inca (DoE)]

CHINA PARTITION----------------------------------------------------

Yes
No

ZULU PARTITION----------------------------------------------------

Yes
No

ALLIANCE OPTION 1----------------------------------------------------

Axis (fascists):
Neandor-France-Viking-Arabia-India-Mongolia-Natives-America

Communists (or democrats):
Russia-Turkey-Inca-England-Japan-Mali

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ALLIANCE OPTION 2----------------------------------------------------

Fascist Alliance:
Neandor-Arabia-Japan-Vikings-Egypt

Communist Alliance:
Russia-Native America-Ottomans-Mongolia-Mali

Democrat Alliance:
England-Inca-France-America-India

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ALLIANCE OPTION 3----------------------------------------------------

The game continues organically from here with no enforced alliances.

Yes
No
This is my preference.


ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 1----------------------------------------------------

30 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 2----------------------------------------------------

20 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 3----------------------------------------------------

10 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 4----------------------------------------------------

No non-aggression pact. Continue as normal.

Yes
No
This is my preference.

.

[Calanthian]

Here are my votes

CHINA PARTITION----------------------------------------------------
This is already happening, but just to make sure everyone is comfortable with it. Vote on whether you think it is appropriate for China to remain AI and have Japan, India, Mongolia, Russia, et al divide them up and eliminate them militarily.

Yes
No

ZULU PARTITION----------------------------------------------------
Someone logs in as the Zulu and gifts cities and units evenly between Israel and the Mali.

Yes
No


All alliance options assumes there is no Zulu or China. Even if people don't like the partition, they will still be AI and non-factors in the game. When voting for alliances and for peace options, please vote yes or no for each option, and then also indicate a preference for one. A winning option needs to have a majority accepting that option (voting yes) and a plurality preferring it.

ALLIANCE OPTION 1----------------------------------------------------

Axis (fascists):
Neandor-France-Viking-Arabia-India-Mongolia-Natives-America

Communists (or democrats):
Russia-Turkey-Inca-England-Japan-Mali

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ALLIANCE OPTION 2----------------------------------------------------

Fascist Alliance:
Neandor-Arabia-Japan-Vikings-Egypt

Communist Alliance:
Russia-Native America-Ottomans-Mongolia-Mali

Democrat Alliance:
England-Inca-France-America-India

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ALLIANCE OPTION 3----------------------------------------------------

The game continues organically from here with no enforced alliances.

Yes
No
This is my preference.


ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 1----------------------------------------------------

30 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 2----------------------------------------------------

20 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 3----------------------------------------------------

10 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 4----------------------------------------------------

No non-aggression pact. Continue as normal.

Yes
No
This is my preference.