Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread]

[Calanthian]

Vikings income came from at least two other nations sending gold to them.

True. Aztecs send them gold big time..

[America (DoE)]

You guys calling me a p&ssy?
Remember though, I just received a fairly big army from the Vikings, so I do have a rather decent military at the moment. But, yeah, not much production capability, so you're probably right in that I belong somewhere at the bottom With regards to alliances, I'll roll with whatever the majority wants, but I am leaning more towards just letting things go on without enforced alliances, because I think that the freedom to do weird stuff is fun. Then again, I'm sure I'll enjoy myself whatever happens

VOTE
CHINA PARTITION----------------------------------------------------
This is already happening, but just to make sure everyone is comfortable with it. Vote on whether you think it is appropriate for China to remain AI and have Japan, India, Mongolia, Russia, et al divide them up and eliminate them militarily.

Yes
No

ZULU PARTITION----------------------------------------------------
Someone logs in as the Zulu and gifts cities and units evenly between Israel and the Mali.

Yes
No


All alliance options assumes there is no Zulu or China. Even if people don't like the partition, they will still be AI and non-factors in the game. When voting for alliances and for peace options, please vote yes or no for each option, and then also indicate a preference for one. A winning option needs to have a majority accepting that option (voting yes) and a plurality preferring it.

ALLIANCE OPTION 1----------------------------------------------------

Axis (fascists):
Neandor-France-Viking-Arabia-India-Mongolia-Natives-America

Communists (or democrats):
Russia-Turkey-Inca-England-Japan-Mali

Yes
No


ALLIANCE OPTION 2----------------------------------------------------

Fascist Alliance:
Neandor-Arabia-Japan-Vikings-Egypt

Communist Alliance:
Russia-Native America-Ottomans-Mongolia-Mali

Democrat Alliance:
England-Inca-France-America-India

Yes
No


ALLIANCE OPTION 3----------------------------------------------------

The game continues organically from here with no enforced alliances.

Yes
No
This is my preference.


ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 1----------------------------------------------------

30 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 2----------------------------------------------------

20 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
No


ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 3----------------------------------------------------

10 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
No


ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 4----------------------------------------------------

No non-aggression pact. Continue as normal.

Yes
No

[OzzyKP]

You voted no and "this is my preference" for the peace option...

[America (DoE)]

Hahaha, oops. So, yeah, it is my preference that it will not be 30 turns So, No.

[Russia (DoE)]

Thanks for the flattering, but I take it just as flattering, not a real argument

India has no infantries, that's the Arabian army

Oh, come on! Just 3 pages back you said you upgraded 20 rifles to Infantries for India. Where they go? Are they all dead already?

Arabia have - how much? 10? - cities and India have 5-6 - drafting 5 rifles each nation each turn and using your income for upgrades can give you 30 infantries in 3 turns! WTF? I have 40 right now! Not that if need be I cant double them in 2-3 turns, but come on - you are not as bad as you describe yourself.

Me being 100 and England being 40 is funny too. (or again the Arabian specialty of disunity in action? )

And yes, you are most probably right - we will never gonna agree. For now - thanks for the compliments. Also - I like challenges. The more challenging the fight, the more rewarding the win.

[Russia (DoE)]

the problem is that the Axis now is relatively strong, but they lack in science. They will have hard time to get airforce, tanks, mechinf.. if ever.

You, shameless sandy humbug - how you can say such thing when ANY of you three - Neandor, Viking and Arabia make more money than me or at least as much as I do? Mongolia, Mali and Ottomans combined must be making around your income. Come on, save us this propaganda It is Russia who have Ministry of the Propaganda and counter- espionage.

[Arabia2 (doe)]

This is not propaganda.. I know what i'm talking about, but you don't really. Me drafting 30 inf? have you checked my cities? I have one above pop6 and that's my capital.. and if I draft 30 then you 300. I'm making as much money as you? it's because you are not doing right.. but what if you start doing it.. you must feel that it's not normal that you do about the same as Arabia .

[LzPrst]

ok, here goes my votes (India)

China partition
Yes

Zulu Partition
Yes


Alliance Option 3


Enforced Peace option 4



Discussing alliance distribution is futile as we will never agree on what is fair, and if we do, it is likely that a nation may end up in an alliance they do not want to be in which may have all kinds of unexpected and unbalanced results.

Just a few comments on my own situation: Count me out when it comes to strength in alliance balancing if we do end up with that option (to me it sounds very unnatural and illogical). India is a nation that has spent everything on war against 2 superior enemies in two extremely costly wars.

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Let us speak plainly, "balance" is irrelevant. "Fairness" is irrelevant. The whole point of this is to preserve the game and restore the "fun" to those who claim that it has left the game. Turkey will fight to the death, no matter the odds, no matter the challenge, and it will always be fun for me. So I don't care how many allies I have or don't have or what the so-called "balance" is. I think Russia is the same way. So dont worry about making it balanced for me.

We MUST structure the alliance so there is an obvious lopsided bias in favor of the ones who will complain and be crybabies if they don't have a big advantage. Everyone knows that's Axis so just stack the deck in their favor and be done with it. I am dead serious. We are never going to agree on balance. The only way the Axis players won't quit is if they have an indisputable advantage. So what I suggest is put America, Inca, England and Japan on Democrats... put Russia, Turkey, and Mali as Communists... and put the rest on Axis, and lets go. That way Axis has Combustion, plenty of oil, and an overwhelming advantage, so there can't be anymore complaining. Plus, even with all that they will still get thrashed because they suck

Russia already won, this is for fun, so let's just have fun... I mean I was always having fun, but we need to put the most meat on the team where people feel like they have to be winning to have fun. Seriously... does any non Axis object to this?

[OzzyKP]

Ottomans, you aren't helping the game move on past wounded feelings. Please cut it with the attitude. Let's find a good 5 on 5 on 5 split we can make and go forward with the game.

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Sorry Ozzy, I came on a little strong sorry to those i called crybabies. That was mean.

Let me get to the bottom line. It's not about wounded feelings, its about making it fun new start for everybody. I think that the following players will accept any alignment whatsoever, including, just start the game back up, no rules, no NAP, just Gogogogo (correct me if I'm wrong).

Ottoman, Russia, America, Japan, Mali, Natives, England, Mongolia, Inca, Israel and I daresay France (in his absence, because I know he is a Warrior).

The only players who REALLY want forced realignment are Arabia, India, Vikings and Germany. All the realignment talk by others is an accommodation for these 4. That is the truth.

So what I propose is for you 4 to just come up with the alignment YOU think is fair, and make all the rules you want going forward. Then we start the game.

[Russia (DoE)]

I think an absolute fair 5vs5vs5 distribution cant be arranged, as there are 4 superpowers and they cant be fit in 3 teams without unbalance. Turkey is right that we just need we have to somewhat agree to a distribution at some point and let the game start.

About am I doing it right or wrong - it does not matter really, as what I did in this game was at the top of my abilities anyway. Yes, I put all of what I can in what Russia is.

[OzzyKP]

Sorry Ozzy, I came on a little strong sorry to those i called crybabies. That was mean.

Let me get to the bottom line. It's not about wounded feelings, its about making it fun new start for everybody. I think that the following players will accept any alignment whatsoever, including, just start the game back up, no rules, no NAP, just Gogogogo (correct me if I'm wrong).

Ottoman, Russia, America, Japan, Mali, Natives, England, Mongolia, Inca, Israel and I daresay France (in his absence, because I know he is a Warrior).

The only players who REALLY want forced realignment are Arabia, India, Vikings and Germany. All the realignment talk by others is an accommodation for these 4. That is the truth.

So what I propose is for you 4 to just come up with the alignment YOU think is fair, and make all the rules you want going forward. Then we start the game.

Then if you don't care, then hush and let the rest of us figure it out.

Thanks.

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Oh I have a New fun Idea! Russia is right that there are really 4 superpowers. Russia, England, Inca, and Neandor.

What if we have a nice High School/ Primary School style pick your team/ draft? This is how it would work.

The #1 Team -Russia would get to pick one ally, but they cant pick any other Superpowers (England, Inca, Neandor).
Then #2 Team - England picks, then #3-Inca, then #4- Neandor.

Then, #4 Neandor picks again, then #3 Inca, then #2 England then #1 Russia. Then we do the same, Neandor first, then Inca, then England, then Russia.

Finally, for the last round Russia goes first, then England, then Inca, and finally Neandor. Then the game starts.

The rules are that there is NO TRADING OUTSIDE YOUR ALLIANCE. No units, no resources, no money, no cities, no nothing, not even OB, so the alliances are truly meaningful. There is a 10 turn NAP (or no NAP). There is a 30 turn, forced alignment period, after that, all forced alliances are over, and civs can form new alliances, and trade with whoever they want.

Let everyone say what they think of this.

@ Ozzy - "Hush"? Excuse Me? Uh No thanks... Mom. I apologized to you. Drop it. Thanks

[Calanthian]

Well if you would like to do that approach then the weakest of the four should have first pick..

and that being Neandor, I would pick Ottomans just for the hell of it