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**OzzyKP** · October 16, 2011, 11:50

Thanks for voting.

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of the three alliances. It is artificial, to be sure, but there is some natural connection to it. Vikings-Neandor, Russia-Ottomans, England-Inca. I like the Fascist-Communist-Democrat theme. All three are fairly balanced. I like the unpredictability of the three alliances too. I think, if left to our own devices, that we would tend to a two-alliance system. But to enforce a three alliance world would be really interesting. I'm excited about it actually! So many possibilities!

**Japan (DoE)** · October 16, 2011, 13:19

CHINA PARTITION----------------------------------------------------
This is already happening, but just to make sure everyone is comfortable with it. Vote on whether you think it is appropriate for China to remain AI and have Japan, India, Mongolia, Russia, et al divide them up and eliminate them militarily.

Yes
No

I think if you are going to gift Zulu cities the same should be done with China instead of having to weaken all of our forces.

ZULU PARTITION----------------------------------------------------
Someone logs in as the Zulu and gifts cities and units evenly between Israel and the Mali.

Yes
No

All alliance options assumes there is no Zulu or China. Even if people don't like the partition, they will still be AI and non-factors in the game. When voting for alliances and for peace options, please vote yes or no for each option, and then also indicate a preference for one. A winning option needs to have a majority accepting that option (voting yes) and a plurality preferring it.

ALLIANCE OPTION 1----------------------------------------------------

Axis (fascists):
Neandor-France-Viking-Arabia-India-Mongolia-Natives-America

Communists (or democrats):
Russia-Turkey-Inca-England-Japan-Mali

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ALLIANCE OPTION 2----------------------------------------------------

Fascist Alliance:
Neandor-Arabia-Japan-Vikings-Egypt

Communist Alliance:
Russia-Native America-Ottomans-Mongolia-Mali

Democrat Alliance:
England-Inca-France-America-India

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ALLIANCE OPTION 3----------------------------------------------------

The game continues organically from here with no enforced alliances.

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 1----------------------------------------------------

30 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 2----------------------------------------------------

20 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 3----------------------------------------------------

10 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
No
This is my preference.

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 4----------------------------------------------------

No non-aggression pact. Continue as normal.

Yes
No

**OzzyKP** · October 16, 2011, 13:38

Do you have a preference on the alliance or peace options?

Originally posted by Japan (DoE) View Post

CHINA PARTITION----------------------------------------------------
This is already happening, but just to make sure everyone is comfortable with it. Vote on whether you think it is appropriate for China to remain AI and have Japan, India, Mongolia, Russia, et al divide them up and eliminate them militarily.

Yes
No

I think if you are going to gift Zulu cities the same should be done with China instead of having to weaken all of our forces.

I suggested that because it was already happening, first of all, and secondly the civs benefiting from dividing China are better off than those in Africa. Also, China is a MUCH bigger prize with much better land and better cities than Zulu. So I'm ok making y'all work for it a bit.

Then again, I have no idea how things look right now in China. So I'm fine if people want to divide them up by gifting cities too. I have no strong opinion on it.

**Arabia2 (doe)** · October 16, 2011, 13:40

1 China is not like Zulu. It has been defeated by an Indian/Arabian/Neandor army with HUGE cost, anyone want any city from China will have to fight for it.

Alliance option 1: putting the 3 top nations in one alliance.. lol no
Alliance option 2: bit better but still no
alliance option 3: no
Alliance option 4: like "2" but France and India to Axis, Japan to "democats"

Enforced peace 10 or maximum 20 turns, china not included

I actually don't think it's wise to continue the game, but I will stay if that's what you like.

**Ottoman Empire (DoE)** · October 16, 2011, 13:50

First of all, we have to Add Aztecs to the List of AI civs that have to be Elimminated or Partitioned or Whatever. Also, I am willing to go with any alignment. However, I'm a little worried about the Democrat faction though. I will go on the record right now and say I think it is unfairly underpowered, and will be far too reliant on France, who is absent right now and may or MAY NOT even want to stay in the game when they find out what has happened (and who also probably hates the Inca and English a little

). If we start the game back up and France returns and quits, then what? England is mostly Navy and Inca is Pacifist. America has no Navy. I just think its a bad situation for the Democrats... they need somebody else, like maybe the Natives or someone to back up America and India. But come to think of it that wont work either because Natives are Pacifist too. I dont know what the solution is, but I just want to go on the record and say (before India even starts complaining

), that I agree that on its face India's alliance is underpowered.

CHINA PARTITION----------------------------------------------------

Yes

ZULU PARTITION----------------------------------------------------

No

ALLIANCE OPTION 1----------------------------------------------------

Axis (fascists):
Neandor-France-Viking-Arabia-India-Mongolia-Natives-America

Communists (or democrats):
Russia-Turkey-Inca-England-Japan-Mali

Yes

ALLIANCE OPTION 2----------------------------------------------------

Fascist Alliance:
Neandor-Arabia-Japan-Vikings-Egypt

Communist Alliance:
Russia-Native America-Ottomans-Mongolia-Mali

Democrat Alliance:
England-Inca-France-America-India

Yes

ALLIANCE OPTION 3----------------------------------------------------

The game continues organically from here with no enforced alliances.

Yes
This is my preference.

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 1----------------------------------------------------

30 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 2----------------------------------------------------

20 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 3----------------------------------------------------

10 turn global non-aggression pact (not including China or Zulu).

Yes
This is my preference

ENFORCED PEACE OPTION 4----------------------------------------------------

No non-aggression pact. Continue as normal.

No

**OzzyKP** · October 16, 2011, 13:52

I didn't include Aztecs because it seemed (rightly or wrongly) that they were already divided up. Did they get back their cities?

**Russia (DoE)** · October 16, 2011, 13:54

For alliance number 2 you must swap India and Japan.

Umm, Arabia, by option 4, you mean option 2, but you want it like this:

Fascist Alliance:
Neandor-France-Arabia-Vikings-India-Egypt

Communist Alliance:
Russia-Native America-Ottomans-Mongolia-Mali

Democrat Alliance:
England-Inca-America-Japan

Isnt this a bit overpowered for the Axis? I still have to check, but I think the Axis GNP will easily outnumber any other on the planet... But I'm OK with it.

**OzzyKP** · October 16, 2011, 13:59

Yea, Arabia's idea is very overpowered for the Axis.

**Russia (DoE)** · October 16, 2011, 14:03

Originally posted by OzzyKP View Post

I didn't include Aztecs because it seemed (rightly or wrongly) that they were already divided up. Did they get back their cities?

They have 1 single city and I guess there will be a big race to it

But it is only 1 city.

**OzzyKP** · October 16, 2011, 14:05

Care to cast your ballot, Ms. Catherine?

**Arabia2 (doe)** · October 16, 2011, 14:05

Originally posted by OzzyKP View Post

Yea, Arabia's idea is very overpowered for the Axis.

Then we strongly disagree, because I think still the Axis would be the weakest.

**Arabia2 (doe)** · October 16, 2011, 14:11

I will give you a rating based on tech level, production, current army, 1-10 Russia being the 10

Russia 10
England: 8
Inca: 8
Neandor 8
Vikings: 5
Ottomans: 6
Arabia: 5
France: 3-4
Natives: 5
America 4
Japan: 4
India 2
Egypt 1-2
Mali: 1-2
Mongolia: 1-2

These 1-2 depends on whether they become active and get their army upgraded or not, actually they can be lower than 1

This is all subjective, in my humble opinion.

**OzzyKP** · October 16, 2011, 14:14

Hahahah, not even close. But lets not derail the voting. We can tweak the line ups for the three alliances a bit if we decide to go in that direction. Maybe swap India & Japan, or something else like that. But we can wait on that until we decide to go with the three alliances.

We can just agree that the list of civs is a solid draft, not the final.

**Arabia2 (doe)** · October 16, 2011, 14:17

Alright.. then I insist on an alliance where I'm with England or Russia :P

**Russia (DoE)** · October 16, 2011, 14:34

Originally posted by OzzyKP View Post

Care to cast your ballot, Ms. Catherine?

Sure, going to take a vanilla tea, will think a bit more and will vote then.

Very good attempt at organizing the nations by rating, btw, Mr.Salaam. Will comment on it too, but as a base and approach you have my admiration.

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