The Dance of Civilizations [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread Pt1]

[India (DoC)]

i perosnal dont liek the UPGRADINg of units by antoher it is so easy to do and means you can skip tech reaserch all together.

It's not unrealistic, happens in RL quite similary
while it's true that at a point a backward civ could skip researching, upgrading is very costly, and this may be the only way for them to be able "effecting" the game at a particular level.
I've always said that small (backward) civs are too can participate and be important in the alliance vs alliance wars-wouldnt be so if that war is fought by tanks and the best unit of that small civ is musketmen.
So (especially at end game) I think it's perfectly normal if the small civ slows its research to be able upgrading their units and have a more modern military that count (must be realistic: they wont launch a spacehip anyway, just like 99% of the real world countries won't)
As for the "silent" interventions: it's up to the civs how they react on it. Gifting units to one's enemies is quite the same declaring war on them, upgrading units also could be a casus belli.

[India (DoC)]

(and just a tip in case someone doesnt know: on the powergraph it can be seen when and who gifts units to who )

[Korea (DoC)]

too uch micro managing to check graphs


and it not realistic to upgrade a unit that someone doesnt ahv ethe tech for,

I bleive the rul shoudl be if you upgrafe tehn you hav eto gift the tech freely too.

[Robert]

Unless you know how to cover it up

[Persia (DoC)]

too uch micro managing to check graphs


and it not realistic to upgrade a unit that someone doesnt ahv ethe tech for,

I bleive the rul shoudl be if you upgrafe tehn you hav eto gift the tech freely too.

too uch micro managing to check graphs


and it not realistic to upgrade a unit that someone doesnt ahv ethe tech for,

I bleive the rul shoudl be if you upgrafe tehn you hav eto gift the tech freely too.

Why is that not realistic? It happens all the time!
America is giving weapons to the enemies of the Taliban, Russia gives rockets to Iran, to name just two examples.

And since weapons you give away can be used against you (Al Qai'da vs America) all big nations won't be keen to give too much away.

Upgrading costs money, someone has to pay for it. It comes with natural balance
The strength of a nation can only be expanded. A small nation can't become a superpower suddenly.

[Korea (DoC)]

too many loopholes if that what the game about, wow

[Korea (DoC)]

oh for flip skae guys,,, ameirca seeling weopnms without trainign no ti doesnth happenm.

they go there and teach them how to use them that the same as ahign the tefh to make one ,,


so dont twistthis to suit your belief

if i upgrade your cross bow to machine gunner then i need to teach you how to use one

[India (DoC)]

if i upgrade your cross bow to machine gunner then i need to teach you how to use one

Thats part of the upgrade, I can't see your point. I don't have to know how to build a tank to be able drive one.

[Rome (DoC)]

Stop killing my joy in the game!

[Rome (DoC)]

I'm sorry for this outburst. I was a bit annoyed with other non-civ stuff and let it bleed through. I do feel that the discussions are getting to a point where we are not gaining any improved gameplay any more and are only venting frustrations.

Stop killing my joy in the game!

[Robert]

That depends on how you interpretate the tone of the written text
All posts above can be read as if it's a frustrated argument, but if you switch something in your head, it can also read as a couple of people who discuss game mechanics in a relaxed way.

The latter would be good, the first would not be good.

But Rome is right, it makes no sense to discuss all this now. New Gamerules can only be applied on new games, let's thus not discuss them in this thread which is about DoC.

@Korea:

too many loopholes if that what the game about, wow

Don't worry, I wasn't talking about a loophole.
You can just cover up unit gifting by giving not too much at the same time, especially during turns you just finished building a lot of new units. So don't worry, there aren't more exploits / loopholes, only smart gaming strategies here

Lots of here to show Rome that this is not a frustrated post

[Rome (DoC)]

[Korea (DoC)]

still too much micrormanaging... i long for a good old fashionesd strategy game...

[OzzyKP]

that not very nice OZZY is USA a real country yet.. ????

Independent since 1776. How long for Australia? Since 1986? 1931?

[Korea (DoC)]

and so USa allied with UK since end of idnepdendance thanks ozzy... that over 200 years too



oh and independance dont make you REAL COUNTRY.

As the saying goes when sometihn weird happens "omly in america"