Beyond the Pit [Pitboss Diplomacy Game] [Story Thread] . PART 11 (June 2009)

[Pitboss Japan]

- In your post before mine (June 6, 2009, 07:21 ) never suggested the lose of Osaka and Owari, You only stated that in your PM, after that I had to reconsider the cease fire for that turn.

-You also said that the cease fire starts in the turn when we fullfill that 4 requirement (ie, no moving no drafting etc) so i did not brake any agreement but as i said i could not start it. Cheap try to get me discredited.

-No other nations ever replied to your cease fire offer. Standing down when the Oldonians keep drafting (they drafted after you wrote your cease fire proposal) could had been very disadventageous for us.. to say at least.

[Pitboss Japan]

What do you think the Oldonian civilians killed in your army's capture of their city think of your words?

Try not to pretend that the poor Oldonians are the victim here. It was them who declared war on us for "breathing space", it was them who first attacked us, it is them who are constantly refusing peace ... if they are a victim then they are the victim of their warmonger ruler..we want nothing from them yet they will be rewarded by You...

Now we are offering more than 1/3 of our cities but it's not enough for you.. yet you expect us to stay back, even give you our troops and leave us in dust..

And Piercia.. we were forced then to accept the treaty which left half of our cities in Russian hands. But we tried to live in peace, it become impossible after the Russians evil actions.
But here comes Rome and his fabolous offer: "betray Sparta and you can keep the lands you have now-just stay back untill i destroy them..." We would had no honor accepting such an offer.

Yoshiro Nakamatsu

All hail to Rome, ruler of the world, who decides who lives and dies. Nice future we have.

[Pitboss Maya]

[Pitboss Rome]

Archelaus of Greece,

First let me apologise that my diplomats made an error in the address of previous correspondance. Now to more important matters.

I have under extreme provocation, with great reluctance, ordered my generals to act on the basis of the fiction of a cease-fire out of respect for you, and of the fact that you did follow all the cease-fire terms. However, it is a fiction that such a cease-fire exists because Sparta/Japan as a whole (who are a single nation for purpose of war and peace) blatently did not follow the cease-fire, and thus according to the terms set out, the cease-fire did not exist.

Further, despite you public words to Japan, they continue to proclaim that they recognise no such cease-fire, and their continuing beligerant insulting words.

I fear I am going to go down in Roman history as the man who kept believing his enemies wanted peace, when in fact they were laughing and following a plan of one nation pretending peace while the other continued war. I am prepared to risk that, though, for the sake of peace. I pray that that is not true of you, Archelaus, and the Spartan people, but I fear it is true of Japan. I will look to you to make good on your threat to remove all your military support, from Japan, including all the tanks, infantry and machine guns(technology they do not possess) if they continue to undermine this peace.

I look to you to ensure that a true cease-fire exist next year. And in the meantime, I thank your for your detailed response to my peace proposals, a response will be forthcoming.

Marcus of Rome

[Pitboss Rome]

Yoshiro,

You continue to display that you are not worthy to rule a nation.

1. Yes I started to draft terms of a peace treaty. You disliked some of the terms. That is a reason to discuss not to abandon the cease-fire. The cease-fire is in place to allow us to talk. But you seem not to want to talk, simply to say you are following a cease-fire and then abandon it for a cheap victory. Sparta is at risk of suffering huge war because of your actions but you seem not to care.

2. Cut the garbage trying to pretend that you are some innocent victim here. This war was started when you tried to seize the whole of Russian Piercia. The tanks that rolled into Pierced Hill, destroying the Russian garrison were Japanese, but now you are the innocent victim when your own cities are threatened!

3. Cut the garbage about Rome demanding the destruction of Japan. We are trying to negotiate a peace here. Nobody has even talked about traditional Japanese territory. Negotiate. That means talking. Not invading cities.

Marcus

[Pitboss Japan]

Marcus,

It's you who should "cut the garbage"

-It was not a cheap victory.. It was us who got attacked in the Oldonian front in the first place, I did what I had to to protect Anasazi. Allowing them to continue drafting would had put us in hopeless position.

-We've never ever claimed to be an "innocent victim".. we have offered a lot for the peace what you are disregarding.. and demanding something what we can not yield. And we are honest about that. The lie would have been if we accept the cease fire suggesting that your offer is fitting for us.

-Forget these talks about "traditional Japan", "ancestral Japan" ..whatever..
since it seems you dont even know what you are talking about.


Yoshiro Nakamatsu

[Pitboss Russia]

From: Chairman Vasili Mikhailovich Blokhin, Council of Transition and Stability
To: Yoshiro Nakamatsu the Voice of Sato
CC: Civilised Nations of the World

You are a foolish man. Russia has not broken the Cease-Fire and desires Peace but you clearly do not. You know that Russia knows what is contained within every Japanese City and therefore must equally well know that all, including Ancestral Japan, are of neither use nor ornament to Russia due to Geography alone. They would be utterly indefensible, not just from subsequent Greco-Japanese attack, but from others also. It is severely questionable as to whether they would even be worth Russia defending as they are largely islands and far distant. Even if Russia gained the entire 'third of Japan' you offer it is doubtful they could be anything but a drain on her economy. The only exceptions are the two illegally occupied Piercian Cities.

You also are a man wholly lacking in honour. You claim that you are prepared to cede Anasazi, which you well know is sufficient to end the War with Oldonia, and then use its' defence as justification for entering Oldonia and capturing their Cities! Where is your logic in this? There is nothing else there save for an old, truly Japanese, City which Oldonia has never even mentioned. You know also that Oldonia entered this War not as members of Pax Romana but as historic Allies of Russia! How can Russia continue to honour a Cease-Fire when you are attacking her Ally who entered this War due to Treaty obligations with Russia? I do not break Treaties and I keep my word, you have already shown that you care nothing for Treaties and have a lying tongue.

Chairman Vasili Mikhailovich Blokhin
For, and on behalf of, The Russian Federation

[Pitboss Russia]

From: Chairman Vasili Mikhailovich Blokhin, Council of Transition and Stability
To: Archelaus of Greece
CC: Civilised Nations of the World

Archelaus, you place Russia in a difficult position by your attitude. Indeed your actions place Pax Romana and Oldonia in a difficult situation by both your attitude towards Russia and your inability to control your appointed Governor of Japan. If you refuse to speak with Russia then there is technically a never ending War of Aggression against Russia. If you are saying that you will never sign a Peace Treaty with Russia, whatever the circumstances, then I have to call upon Russia's Allies to aid her. This is very short-sighted of you as it will cost you much. Russian Factories have more useful things to do than build Tanks but that is all they do now! Russia is a small, poor and scientifically backward nation but has struggled to improve the conditions for its' people nevertheless. Greek attack on Russia has caused a delay in that search for peaceful advancement as well as large scale damage to infrastructure and massive loss of life. Despite this Russia demanded nothing from Greece but still you will not even sit at a negotiating table with her. Folly Archelaus, pure dumb pride and folly.

Chairman Vasili Mikhailovich Blokhin
For, and on behalf of, The Russian Federation

[Pitboss Japan]

You claim that you are prepared to cede Anasazi, which you well know is sufficient to end the War with Oldonia, and then use its' defence as justification for entering Oldonia and capturing their Cities! Where is your logic in this?

Mr. Blokhin,

The logic is simple: we are at war, we try to do our best to win it even if it seems hopeless. We may cede Anasazi as part of the true peace treaty, not as a separate one. And again I had not broken any treaty since the treaty would had started after we comply, but the terms for that were not given.

But here are news concerning to the Oldonian front:
After consulting with Sparta and my generals I have decided to completely withdraw our troops from Oldonia to Anasazi. This means I will not take an other city (i have 8 attacker units next to it supported by 4 airships-there are (max.) 3 defenders). Also i wont unload 3 more troops into the conquered coastal city but empting it completely. If my withdrawing troops get attacked they will turn back.

And we do desire peace, but your demands dont allow it. Illegaly occupied Piercia by us? It is you who has nothing to do here, the union of Japan and Piercia was rightfull and peacefull. It was you who first attacked us and took cities from us, claiming to free Piercia.. where is that Piercia that you freed? those cities become Russian cities thanks to your aggressive cultural pressing.
But I realise that words have no use.. our soldiers will die defending Japan achievements, like the Heroic epic and the Osaka Academy.

It was Rome who granted you half of the Piercian cities, it will be them again who give you the other half. I wonder what the Russian troops could do alone against us.. nothing I guess- and by "us" I mean Japan without the Spartan troops...


Yoshiro Nakamatsu

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

To: Yoshiro Nakamatsu
From: Prime Minister Olaf Petterson

I do not deny that it was we-the Oldonians-who first crossed the frontier into Japanese territory. Historical records kept secret for generations revealed the duplicity of your forebears & the former King decided to take back Anasazi by force. Yet all the while as you *spoke* of a new peace with Oldonia, we could see quite clearly that you were bringing up more troops and placing them within our territory. Since then you have attacked *two* of our cities-two more than the number of Japanese cities attacked by Oldonia. That clearly makes *you* the aggressor, and Oldonia the victim.

Note that the people of Oldonia are alert to your tricks, and will not rest until all Japanese troops are removed from Oldonian soil. You have less than 12 hours to remove *all* your forces, or else face our wrath. The choice is yours.

[Pitboss Japan]

To: Prime Minister Olaf Petterson


You say: "That clearly makes *you* the aggressor, and Oldonia the victim"

So you declare a war, refuse peace (we only wanted peace, nothing from you) and when you have loses it makes us the aggressor? We are still offering peace, but you are still refusing it in a hope of a great reward..

"King decided to take back Anasazi by force"

Except it was never Oldonian. Japan forces captured it from barbarians. Whatever you say it was and is an ancient Japan city.

The Russians ask why dont I just give you Anasazi when I know I will lose it anyway, Why i continue fighting. The Answer is this: we have been defeated by Rome not by you or anybody else, we will make deal with them if we can and they can decide if they reward you.

But:

As I said I wont take the other viking city and leave Oldonia. I do it as a favor to Sparta and to give peace a chance even if I'm not sure that our enemies are understand us.


Yoshiro Nakamatsu

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

To:Yoshiro Nakamatsu


The Oldonian's *never* refused peace-the peace was not forthcoming through official diplomatic channels. All we saw were more troops moving through Anasazi, heading into Oldonian territory-hardly a "gesture of peace". As to the status of the city of Anasazi, it must have been an easy city to capture *after* our knights cleared it of all resistance, or perhaps you simply thought the barbarians left it empty just for you. I am still open for peace, but only if you hand over Anasazi and the Oldonian city you captured. You now have approximately 6 hours to comply, and our patience is wearing thin.

From: Olaf Petterson

[Pitboss Japan]

What are you suggesting with these "6 hours" dead line? That if i cannot make a move untill it expires then I'd better continue my invasion? or what?
My troops will leave Oldonia when they can. (able to move).
Till the moment you attacked us we asked you to reconsider, so dont tell us that you never refused peace..


"...thought the barbarians left it empty just for you"

It was not empty.. (ooc , at least it's unlikely ), but it was poorly defended.. We thought it's soldiers most likely looting somewhere so we took the opportunity. You might be right that you should have been compensated for your contributions, but It was Japan who conquered the city.
But most importantly: It is an ancient Japan city for a thousand of years, Its citizens are japanese, what gives you the right and authority to seize this city and its people?


Yoshiro Nakamatsu

[Pitboss Greece]

Olof Petterson,

a question to you, you told the Japanese people the following:

Since then you have attacked *two* of our cities-two more than the number of Japanese cities attacked by Oldonia. That clearly makes *you* the aggressor, and Oldonia the victim.

Using this form of logic, can I assume that you also condemn the Roman invasion of Korea?

Thanks for your answer,

Archelaus II of Greece

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

Believe me, the blood of hundreds of Oldonian Knights tells me that Anasazi was *very* heavily defended by longbowmen. You're right about compensation-though-we want the city our young men fought and died for. It is hardly an ancient Japanese City, given it was Barbarian-held until around 500-600 years ago. As for waiting for us to reconsider peace-we sent a single expeditionary force into your territory, which you defeated, and then you proceeded to move your riflemen into my territory en-masse. That is hardly a sign of peaceful intent. Nor is your "secret construction" of elite cavalry within Anasazi. I am also aware that your Galleon full of riflemen was also in transit to Oldonia throughout that entire period. You never sent any official requests for peace, so your actions made us assume that your words and actions were at odds-and that you intended to pursue your invasion of Oldonia. This belief has been borne out by your subsequent actions, and they shall be repaid with Japanese blood. Unless you remove *all* your troops from Oldonian soil by the New Year, then we will not hesitate to crush all Japanese forces within our borders.

Olaf Peterson.