Beyond the Pit [Pitboss Diplomacy Game] [Organization Thread V]

[OzzyKP]

It seems he is probably the same guy who cheated earlier and who we kicked out of the game earlier on Pin's suggestion. I have no idea why he was so easily let back into the game. But yea, I'm satisfied with him being kicked out permanently and not welcomed back to our community.

I don't really object to Russia's war either. Even though several people said no to more dividing up civs. I think from the start this game was just too big, so I guess consolidating things can only help.

[St Jon]

Russia/FF can you login ASAP, since i accidentally gave you the wrong city. I have rectified that on the turn i just played.

The deed is done and I've gifted you the soldiers as well. 1 City down and 5 to go!

[Pitboss Rome]

I don't really object to Russia's war either. Even though several people said no to more dividing up civs. I think from the start this game was just too big, so I guess consolidating things can only help.

yes and lets not mix OOC and IG. IG I will object strongly to any Russian invasion because they have tricked me into what use they were putting my railways when troops crossed my land. However, I recognise that the Russian invasion is an IG matter which was going to happen regardless of whether Japan was or was not still playing.

I don't think that there should be some 'free for all' on Japanese territory. At least lets not do anything fast on this. Cyber should sub - or someone else - go for it Ozzy since Greece is close to Japan - for the moment. If the Russians are invading - give them hell. They definitely shouldn't have an easy time of it - there must be someone who would like to sub for a war (I'd love to - I like war - but I am just too close). Then we can work out what to do with Japan without the undue haste which has caused some difficulties over Korea and Piercia.

Its not fair to ask Russia to pause his attack, because that is solely an IG action. So lets just make sure Russian has to fight a real opponent, not the AI. But lets not do anything outside the game with Japan until we have all had a chance to think.

[St Jon]

It seems he is probably the same guy who cheated earlier and who we kicked out of the game earlier on Pin's suggestion. I have no idea why he was so easily let back into the game. But yea, I'm satisfied with him being kicked out permanently and not welcomed back to our community.

I don't really object to Russia's war either. Even though several people said no to more dividing up civs. I think from the start this game was just too big, so I guess consolidating things can only help.

I have completely changed Russia's focus on the game since the Persia carve up. I have got Cities that I don't really want to pay debts, I have lost a huge amount of Tech pts to get gold to upgrade troops, I am indebted to many and reliant upon others to aid me, I have made commitments that I would never have entered into without this change of focus and you would have me give it all up because the Jap player was a cheat? Who reimburses Russia for turns without Tech, for no Marketplaces and Libraries built, gold wasted on paying maintainance for distant cities of no value to her and that she must cede anyway? Who helps Russia if she is attacked in the East without adequate defence? This whole venture was a huge risk to me and Cyber, Rome and Wyandot knew it was happening today COME WHAT MAY! Maya and Celt knew it was going to happen so either - most likely Maya, sorry Pinchak, could have used that for their own gain - and hit my East! I have taken the first City and the next one falls next round regardless of any arguements! Russia has put too much effort and risked too much for this to be thrown away and punishs Russia for another's foul play. That is totally unfair and unjust! I reckon the AI will give me a tougher fight than the Jap player anyway. :-)

[Pitboss Celts]

I'm erasing this post as I just read about what Cyber found out. Need to read the rest of the thread before commenting.

[Robert]

No more ooc-dividing up civs.
If we sub for leader-less civs, then I'm fine with an in-game war against those civs.

thus: if Ozzy wants to sub for Japan, then other civs can do whatever they want to these civs. Subs will just do their very best to defend these civs.

I'll sub for Japan till Ozzy (or someone else) pm's me to take them over.
Japan also still has to deliver a settler and 2 workers to Spain. I'm working on that now.

[Robert]

Today is the last day for voting for February!

I have received votes from:
Celts
Khmer
Rome
Russia
Maya
Portugal
Sparta

send votes to vote@diplo.plomp.eu
Do it now!

Story thread February 2009: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?t=183453

Let's move March and April together for voting, so we vote for March/April from May 1st on.

[OzzyKP]

It seems he is probably the same guy who cheated earlier and who we kicked out of the game earlier on Pin's suggestion. I have no idea why he was so easily let back into the game. But yea, I'm satisfied with him being kicked out permanently and not welcomed back to our community.

I don't really object to Russia's war either. Even though several people said no to more dividing up civs. I think from the start this game was just too big, so I guess consolidating things can only help.

I have completely changed Russia's focus on the game since the Persia carve up. I have got Cities that I don't really want to pay debts, I have lost a huge amount of Tech pts to get gold to upgrade troops, I am indebted to many and reliant upon others to aid me, I have made commitments that I would never have entered into without this change of focus and you would have me give it all up because the Jap player was a cheat? Who reimburses Russia for turns without Tech, for no Marketplaces and Libraries built, gold wasted on paying maintainance for distant cities of no value to her and that she must cede anyway? Who helps Russia if she is attacked in the East without adequate defence? This whole venture was a huge risk to me and Cyber, Rome and Wyandot knew it was happening today COME WHAT MAY! Maya and Celt knew it was going to happen so either - most likely Maya, sorry Pinchak, could have used that for their own gain - and hit my East! I have taken the first City and the next one falls next round regardless of any arguements! Russia has put too much effort and risked too much for this to be thrown away and punishs Russia for another's foul play. That is totally unfair and unjust! I reckon the AI will give me a tougher fight than the Jap player anyway. :-)

Everyone is on edge these days...

[St Jon]

Everyone is on edge these days...

Sorry Ozzy, wrong posts quoted. Really just laying down my 'bag of sand'!

Just wanted all folks know for certain that my attack was pre-planned, and provebly so, and that none could claim me to be making an OOC 'land grab' just because I saw the AI as a soft target. It should have been obvious by the fact that I couldn't have moved all those troops across a continent on the off-chance I know, but with 6hr Rule to consider as well I knew that everyone must be made aware that this was my plan from a long way back and that no cry of 'foul play' or taking cities on the cheap could be made. I had even gone to Ming a long while back to confirm his interpretation of 'our' version of the double move. I had to strike when I did or I gave the Jap Player, I thought it was going to be a human player, the chance to reinforce the next target city, bring up my own reinforcements and move forward before Tokyo came out of Anarchy. Power of manouvre is vital in a quick war which this always was planned to be. Gonna be a lot tougher now with either you or Cyber as the CC of the Jap army and I know I will lose a lot more troops than I'd hoped but c'est la guerre, I'm just going to have live with that!

[Robert]

OzzyKP is subbing for Japan from now on.

Japan was played by: Danny.P.O

[Robert]

February 2009 score:

Position			Story	Diplo	Mili	Score	Total	Voted		Dif
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01. (01)(01)(01) Rome		14(+1)	18(--)	18(--)	16(--)	66(+1)	xxxxxxxxx	--
02. (02)(02)(02) Greece 	18(--)	15(+1)	16(--)	14(-1)	63(--)	xxxxxxxxx	--
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03. (03)(04)(04) Maya		12(--)	12(+1)	17(--)	15(+1)	56(+2)	xxxxxxxxx	--
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04. (03)(08)(08) Khmer		09(--)	15(-1)	10(-1)	18(--)	52(-2)	xxxxxxxxx	-1
05. (08)(06)(05) Korea		17(--)	17(+2)	14(+4)	03(-1)	51(+5)	xxxxxxxx-	+3
06. (06)(09)(12) HRE		11(--)	11(-1)	15(--)	11(+1)	48(--)	-xxxxxxx-	--
07. (06)(06)(05) Portug		06(-1)	17(--)	07(--)	17(--)	47(-1)	--xxxxxxx	-1
08. (05)(03)(03) Persia		16(--)	13(--)	13(+1)	03(-5)	45(-4)	xxxxxxxx-	-3
08. (10)(10)(09) Japan		15(--)	08(--)	11(-2)	11(+9)	45(+7)	xxxxxxxx-	+2
10. (08)(05)(06) Vikings	14(--)	09(--)	14(--)	09(-2)	44(-2)	xxxxx----	-2
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11. (11)(11)(10) Metal		10(--)	03(--)	08(-1)	13(+1)	34(--)	xxxx--xx-	--
12. (12)(15)(15) Russia		08(+1)	07(+2)	09(+1)	09(-2)	33(+2)	x---x--xx	--
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13. (12)(12)(11) Spain		07(-1)	06(-1)	03(--)	12(-1)	28(-3)	xxxxx----	-1
14. (14)(13)(12) Natives	04(--)	10(-1)	04(--)	08(+2)	26(+1)	xx-x-----	--
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15. (15)(14)(17) Celts		03(--)	05(-1)	06(--)	06(+1)	20(--)	xxxxxxxxx	--
16. (17)(15)(14) England	05(--)	04(-1)	03(--)	05(+2)	17(+1)	xxxx-----	+1
17. (16)(18)(18) America	03(--)	03(--)	05(--)	05(-2)	16(-2)	-xx--xxx-	-1
18. (18)(17)(16) Inca		03(--)	01(--)	03(--)	03(+2)	10(+2)	---------	--
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Interesting: dead cat bounces of both Japan and Korea!
Even more interesting: Korea is eliminiated in-game but still holds the #5 position in the charts
Some of you guys are being beaten by an eliminated civ

I have included the votes Piercia and korea got this month, as a last goodbye to these eliminated civs.

[Robert]

Shall I post the month-by-month vote count of everybody?

[Pitboss Spain]

Is it too late to send in my votes? I was just into all this discussion that I forgot about what was happening in Game.

[Robert]

You can send them.
It's been a weird month. Please do it immediately.

[OzzyKP]

Yea, same here. I'll send them in today. Sorry for the delay.