Diplogame Rules and Victory Discussion

[Metaliturtle]

Leave the spaceship in, if it were a normal MP game everyone would be focusing on military and thrashing each other, since you all are clearly not doing that, enjoy the Diplomacy and endless debating.

It seems in this situation the other players will retaliate greatly against someone who is playing to win the game since the object is a cool story and the point is debate.

[LzPrst]

actually metaliturtle, the object is to win. but unlike the regular mp civ game how you do it is almost more interesting than just doing it. and people will naturally seek to weaken the leader of the game in order to improve their own chances.

Ozzy, your system seems fine. Everyone has to remember that we will get a lot of subjective points to hand out and that will balance the objective scores very well. I'm all for it as it looks now.

[Toni]

Looks good

[deity]

I'll go along with that system ozzy, although I still think Democ and Astronomy should get points. Let's see how it goes for HOTW7 and then modify it for HOTW8 if necessary.................... did I just say HOTW8!

We should start filling in a spreadsheet now. Will I set one up?

[OzzyKP]

Sure, I crown you King of the Point system.

[Toni]

I like the idea about getting points for Democ and Astronomy, can we add them?

[OzzyKP]

Maaaybe Astronomy. But I see no reason whatsoever to add Democracy. Why is that as important a tech as liberalism, alphabet, and the others? You don't get a free Great Person with that tech, it doesn't unlock things like tech trading or give a few tech, so.... why?

[Robert]

Because it's the holy grail to our civilization!
The most important dogma of the modern society!
That's why

What's up with Astronomy btw?

[deity]

Just a test on what I can work out in the current game at 700BC... let me know of any fine tuning (not met Cyber, so his position in points might be wrong)

hmmm no wonder ozzy likes the score system

[deity]

updated a bit more ...

[Robert]

Maybe the 6 points for highest land-mass / population is too much. I don't think that having the highest population is equal to having TWELVE (12) wonders. Not to mention that having a heigh population / landmass is already calculated in the in-game score already.

Am I 10th in the score-list right now? Thought I was 4th or 5th . I have the 2nd cultural city, founded 2 religions already (one is heading towards a 25% spreading btw :P) but since this is only an example that's not a big of a deal (had to mention it though :P)

Good work Deity!

[Robert]

I still think that wonders are awarded too low. 0.5 points only while inventing a tech gives you 4 points (while you're most of the time arleady awarded with an in-game bonus as well and you don't really have to sacrifice something for it.)

Now I see the score system in points I see some disballance. Ozzy is clearly leading in our game but the leader goes UP UP UP because of disballance. The #1 is #1 b/c of many reasons and all those reasons add new bonusses in this system. Thus in fact the #1 gets a double score boost.

[deity]

Damnn, the graphic refuses to update.. again...

[deity]

Originally posted by CyberShy
Now I see the score system in points I see some disballance. Ozzy is clearly leading in our game but the leader goes UP UP UP because of disballance. The #1 is #1 b/c of many reasons and all those reasons add new bonusses in this system. Thus in fact the #1 gets a double score boost.

LOL, yes, even if anyone else launched a SS ozzy would still win

[LzPrst]

true. if we end the game next session. but frankly, that's not likely to happen. and things may very well change very quickly. what if ozzy loses a city? suddenly he's not the biggest anymore. what if cybers religion both get 25% spread? he'll skyrocket up the list.

and this is NOT taking into consideration the subjective points system, for all we know ozzy may come out very badly in that department. now the case is we have been working on this points system for weeks and if we're not implementing it then we're gonna get the end of the world space ship armageddon that we so dont want.

I say we go with this one, and if it turns out it is imbalanced then we will change it for HOTW8. make greatest population and land mass worth 4 or 5 instead of six and lets keep in mind that the subjective points will probably tilt the scales in all kinds of directions.