Return Of The King To Civ Gaming

[Ming]

It's nice to see somebody that not only remembers "The General", but actually wrote a column as well

I liked Tactics Two as you classic balanced war game.
D-Day and Sink the Bismark were also good, because either side had a fair chance of winning out right.
I still have copies of all of those, and many more

[Dulaak]

Too bad games aren\'t about gameplay and strategy anymore. They\'re about graphics and marketing.

[MJW]

For my last post for quite sometime (apolyton is now a waste for me...) I'll say that I did not play Civ MP before slavery became 'all the rage'. After awhile I quit because I hate losing and slavery (everytime you 'rush production' God kills a kitten :cries:. I trust Krill's, Eye's and Sulla's judgement about not buying BtS (for the MP et all) because it's broken and Firaxis has proven time and again that they do not care about game balance...

I did buy it for SP. :-)

[rah]

Didn't the nerf slaving in BTS some?

[Dulaak]

Not enough to make it not worth using. Also, it\'s a good thing they didn\'t or the game would be a lot worse...if that\'s even possible. It doesn\'t really matter anyway because the game is fatally flawed beyond all repair. I haven\'t really played computer games since October of 2006 when I quit AOE3, and I probably won\'t ever get back into them unless the trend of dumbing down games for idiots ceases. I\'ll never understand how people can play against a dumb AI or enjoy simplicity. I played against the AI too for a while...when I was like 13.

[Beta]

Originally posted by Ming
It's nice to see somebody that not only remembers "The General", but actually wrote a column as well

I liked Tactics Two as you classic balanced war game.
D-Day and Sink the Bismark were also good, because either side had a fair chance of winning out right.
I still have copies of all of those, and many more

I have a copy of Tactics Two as well. And my brother has a copy of Sink the Bismarck - or he better still have it as I gave it to him for his birthday many, many moons ago.

And King, I will try and give you a run for your money on Russian Campaign. Have that as well.

Damn - my garage is half filled with boxes of board wargames ..... I suspect some may be worth something, given the last time I checked e-bay.

[Ellestar]

Originally posted by snoopy369
but the automated systems (automated population working tiles, automated workers improving tiles) are a LOT better, and it is reasonable to leave workers set on automatic (especially in MP where you don't have time to manually improve everything when the game starts to get complicated). This improves dramatically in Civ4: Beyond the Sword, but even base Civ4 (vanilla) is much better than Civ2 this way.

IMHO workers on auto are absolutely devastating to your economy in MP. Anyway, i played in Case's ladder where all games are with a turn timer and i never used automated workers. So, it's not a big problem to have all workers on manual.

Originally posted by EyesOfNight1
In MP...you'll actually find people playing OCC games now. Yes, that's right, one city challenge games in Mp. AWESOME! There are usually a few team games that are half way decent, even if the players aren't. Ladder games are hard to come by and well, the ladder just plain sucks. The only setting that has any skill at all is 1v1 mirror and people don't play that setting. Basically FFA (Free for all) and team games are all you're going to find in MP these days. I honestly would not even bother with the ladder. I can see with confidence it is the worst ladder I have seen in all my years online. I hope you aren't coming into this thinking that it will be like Civ2 because those days are over my friend. Gameleague was an absolute paradise in comparision with Civ4Players ladder. I haven't played seriously on the Civ4 ladder since December of 2005...actually I haven't played Civ4 seriously since then either if that is any indication of what I think of the game.

I didn't played Civ 2 and i didn't played Civ 4 in 2007 but i spent about 1200 hours playing Civ 4 ladder (same nick) in 2006 and it sounds about right to me I also should add that teamplay is next to nonexistant in all/most "team" games. And in a ladder you spend about 40-50% of the time playing, rest of it is waiting for a game or a game being scrapped before completion etc. Non-ladder is even more of a joke, i wonder if anyone knows how to play there?
The only thing i don't agree is the skill of players. Of course it's not like Starcraft or Warcraft 3 or any other cybersport game, but there is enough good players for such a small community.

Originally posted by Krill [*]Catapult spam could be beaten in Warlords 2.08, which was the worst it ever got. I never died to a cat stack in any game I played for example.

Then you played against noobs

Originally posted by Krill [*]If you don't build any buildings you will lose the game, plain and simple. Granaries and barracks, libraries and markets, monuments, they all have uses and there are times when they have to be built. Claiming otherwise is stupidity.

I never saw a market built in a ladder game, but you're right about other buildings.

[Krill]

Hey, I've never died to anyone who attacked me with a cat stack and that includes he clan training games. I agree that attacking with sword stacks is not the best way to attack, but on defense it works.

With regards to the market...ok, building a market is rare, but I'd build a market if I needed to finance an army and I had a city churning out 40gpt (gold/gems and some towns for example).

[Ellestar]

Originally posted by Krill
Hey, I've never died to anyone who attacked me with a cat stack and that includes he clan training games.

Maybe you mean duels? Or maybe you didn't play much. Coordinated attack in teamers has a very good chances, and most Ancient teamers in Warlords end before time runs out.

[Krill]

No. No one, including 2v1s, who attacked me in teamers killed me with a cat stack. I've died once to a 3v1 in the classical event where I had 1 city and no improvements (jags and impis choking ftw!) after I managed to wreck one attack involving a cat stack. But I've never died to the cat stack.

[StrategicKingVa]

Beta, while I live in Michigan once a month I am in Nashville, Chicago, Raleigh and sometimes New Jersey. I will travel to near by cities to kick your but at Russian Campaign.... let me know... Msn messanger = strategicking

[Dulaak]

Strat, let me know if you find a new game for us to go play. I don't think there's much out there though. I would LOVE to find a game like Civ2 or AOE2 where you can actually create strategies and where the better player is rewarded and encouraged to build leads.

[rah]

Try chess

[Ellestar]

Originally posted by Krill
No. No one, including 2v1s, who attacked me in teamers killed me with a cat stack. I've died once to a 3v1 in the classical event where I had 1 city and no improvements (jags and impis choking ftw!) after I managed to wreck one attack involving a cat stack. But I've never died to the cat stack.

Ok, then you played against noobs, as i already said. If noobs can't do something, it doesn't mean that a game is balanced because that "something" doesn't happen. In that case, most likely it doesn't happen because noobs can't do it. Personally, i killed with a cat stack (not only cats though) even in 1v1 against good players, and i was killed by cat stacks too.

[Krill]

I'm glad you think Mookie and Met and Wiz are all noobs. I know Speaker is but some of RaY knew how to build cat stacks I'm sure