The History of the World V . . . .

[Robert]

Open letter to the Indian Administration and the Spanish Administration

I want to put an end on all speculation concerning the re-capturing of Boston by the Americans recently.

1. America has bought several troops from Germany. These troops were bought. These troops have never returned to Germany and are still under the American flag. America has payed much money for these troops.

2. America has lend a few troops from Germany as well. These troops have been used to defend the American cities in case of a huge war would follow and the American cities would be unprotected because it's soldiers were besieging Boston. America has paid much money for lending these troops.

3. America has bought several units from the French as well, again in exchange for money.

4. America has planned the besieging of Boston all by itself. It didn't want to have an open world war break out again. All allies have been informed shortly in advance (on which the German and the French insisted that their units should not be used for offensive purposes, which was no problem since America had more use for city defense)
The allies were asked to not intervene in the war and stay neutral, once again: to prevent an open world war to break out again.

5. America had not the intention to start an open war with India. Robert wanted to scare the Indians and push them into giving Boston back.

Robert made two mistakes. Firstly: he kept the greater part of the army beyond the sight of the Indians, for strategical purposes, which didn't match with his main goal, to frighten India. Therefor India was not frightened enough to give up Boston immediately.

Then, when India didn't gave in immediately, Robert made the mistake to start a small scale attack on Boston. He did this, once again, to show the Indian that it was serious business.

Strategically this worked perfectly. The Indian catapults inside Boston attacked the small part of the American army, only damaging a few units. The American catapults were used to clear the cultural defense of the city, and then the greater part of the army marched over the american ways to Boston (remember that Boston was still in American teritory, culturally. To attack the city, the american armies didn't need to march through Indian territory!)

When the Indians saw the huge army that Robert kept out of sight, they gave in, seeing that this army was huge enough to not only take Boston, but to march to Madras and perhaps even Delhi, and take it.

All nations should know that the army consisted of over 12 catapults, 15 macemen, 5 longbowmen, 8 crossbowmen and 4 spearmen.
The sole purpose of this army was to re-take Boston.
Boston is an American city which was token by force by the Indian. If the Indians are allowed to take Boston by force, then so is America allowed to take it back by force. The nations of Terra should, no matter were their loyalty lies, agree with this. If they do not, there's no base for justice anymore and open war between the two alliances is the only option left over. I want to prevent that in any way!

Notice that the American armies could easily take Boston by force, and march deep into Indian territory. Our army was, and still is, huge enough. We did not though. Once again: our sole purpose was taking Boston back.

We wanted to do this in a diplomatic way, with an army as backup. Our former king, Robert made mistakes, he left us therefor, which we still regret. Therefor America regrets the casualties that have fallen in Boston, we take responsibility for that. We do, however, not feel guilty or sorry for taking Boston back. Boston is an American city.

America is willing to pay India for the casualties though. We can give you 5 units of soldiers. We know that the children won't get their fathers back by that, but this is all we can do.
Boston is American, no matter what, no matter how. Therefor America has the strong opinion that peace can be agreed on right now, since all borders are fair at the current moment.

Apparantly India closed it's ears for fair reasoning. Therefor we will protect our cities. Not to invade India, because we see no use in that. But only to protect ourselves.

We hope that the allies of India will keep their ears open, we know that you value your friendship with the Indians, and we don't ask you to end this! We ask you to be fair though, and admit that Boston is American, and despite the mistakes made by Robert, America was allowed to take the city back.

Remember that in the end, the city was handed over peacefully to America! The city was not token by force!

I beg all nations to look at this issue unbiased.
Remember that nobody paid any money when America gave up Boston to India to end the World War!
Nobody had problems that America should give up this city to enforce peace.
Why are things different when India lost a city that wasn't theirs to begin with? Why do world leaders of fame feel sorry for India, while they didn't care for America in those days?

Once again: I beg the world for peace.
Let's end this, for once and for all.

George Washington
King of the Americans

[LzPrst]

Reply to: Chief Foreign Minister of Spain, Pedro Abarca de Bolea.
From: The High Council of Germania.
CC: Russia, England, Inca, China


Your demand that it is Germany that must provide evidence for not being involved is most unfair. By all German laws at the least, it is the accuser that must prove the fault of the accused. Anything else would lead to a collapse of Order.

As you say, India believes that we were directly involved, is that the only evidence required for us to be at fault? We have repeatedly stated our involvement, but if our Word is worth nothing to you then how can we ask you to mediate? We understand that India may believe that we were involved, but it is simply not the case. That they wish to expand the conflict to Germany despite our lack of involvement in the issue shows their intentions to be aggressive, not ours.

You request that we not bring up your donation of gold to India following the return of Boston. You are correct that we do not know the exact details of the agreement, but as you state yourself in your letter to us it was a compensation for India's loss, not a prevention from war. Several nations offered such compensation, including Germany. That India accepted can only be seen as an agreement with the peace accord. India received a compensation for the loss of Boston, then they demand it back and more, this seems to us not to be Honorable behavior.

However, how can you prove that India is not using this money to modernize their military and conquer America and/or Germany? Unless you can prove that India is not using this money on military means, using the same standards you apply upon us, then you are equally guilty of supplying a belligerent nation with the means to condone War. You may say that India was not belligerent at the time, but neither was America, officially or otherwise, at the time we sold the troops.

The reason why we would not sell India troops should be obvious to the extreme. Germany's relationship with said state, has since the Great War been strained. As a result we do not trust them. And to sell weapons to someone you do not trust would be folly, of course we would not sell them weapons under such circumstances. And furthermore, unlike America, India has clearly stated that a purchase of German mercenaries would result in the aggressive conquest of American lands, in addition to Boston. Selling India troops would be the most clear case of supporting a belligerent power with weapons. We chose not to do so as we wanted to avoid a War in the region.

You demand that we halt aggressive speak, yet you make no such demand of India. Have we not stated at every turn that we wish a peaceful solution that all parties can agree to? Have we stated in any correspondance or action that we desire a war? We have supported the summit from the beginning.
Has India acted in any other way than threaten and make demands upon Germany and America? We have not spoken in any aggression since this began, on the contrary. I urge you to go through our official correspondence and find this to be true. We have merely stated that we will not accept Indian dominance over our people, as they have stated repeatedly that they desire, and that we will defend ourselves which is our right as people. We have not, and we will not speak or act in aggression, we wish India no harm, we have no demands upon their territory or people, we wish in fact to go about our business with as little contact with India as possible. Are these the words of an aggressor?

Furthermore, Germany has of late not militarized, in fact we have decomissioned much of our older military thus reducing our army overall, not increasing it.

Germany will attend the summit, as equals to any other nation. In fact we would send a delegation this very day on the road to Moscow if India did not block our path. Yet we will send our diplomats by ship, bypassing Indian borders altogether. If Russia would specify in which harbor they wish our diplomats to arrive at, we will send our diplomats as soon as we have a ship available.

Council der Germania

[KunojiLym]

To All Nations

The date of the Grand Summit has been set for the 18th September, AD 1255. The venue shall be the Grand Ballroom of the Imperial Palace, in Moscow, and the chambers of the Hagia Sophia Cathedral. Peter II, Tsar of the Russian Empire, and Paul IV, Pope of the Catholic Church, shall co-chair this summit. Please indicate the identity and the number of delegates that shall be sent. For those travelling by sea, you may alight at the port of Yaroslavl', where you may be escorted with speed to Moscow. For the purpose of the summit, the delegates shall enjoy free movement through the Russian Empire, to and from Moscow and Yaroslavl', with escort. We ask that India grant similar passage and escort to the delegates.

On behalf of the Tsar, I welcome you to the summit in advance, and sincerely hope that the Southern Problem can at last reach a resolution.

Boris Shuisky
Prime Minister of the Russian Empire

20th June, AD 1255

(OOC: See the OOC thread; we may need to set up an AIM chat session )

[KunojiLym]

A clarification to the previous missive; the nations invited to the Grand Summit are, in no particular order, India, Spain, America, Germany and France. As Russia is the host, she will be represented by default. These are all the principle parties in the Southern Problem.

Boris Shuisky
Prime Minister of the Russian Empire

[LzPrst]

The German delegation sets sail from Münich on their route to Yaroslavl'. Their journey takes them far out to see in order to avoid Indian territory and they arrive in Yaroslavl' on september 1st 1255.

The diplomats from Germany consist of the following representatives.


Gerhardt the Great, Master of Koinsel Island. Known as Adolphe's right hand during the civil war this former courier and veteran of the Great War was given the the Barony of Dortmund consisting of the western part of Koinsel Island as a reward for his loyalty and skill. Though he is not a member of the high council he carries considerable respect among most Germans who remember the Wartimes. He is known for his personal integrity and wisdom, and presents an impressive physical appearence as a tall, broadshouldered confident man. His views upon a potential War are well known, Germany will be victorious.



Foundation of Order, Hermann the Staunch. One of the three men to constitute the High Council of Germania, he represents the workers, traders and common men of Berlin. He has repeatedly promoted peace for his people and is in fact isolationist in nature, wishing that Germany cut itself off from the outside world in order to focus on internal affairs. He has also spoken out against religious fundamentalism and wishes that all religions be treated with equality in Germany and other nations. Some say this is based on the fact that he has converted to Christianity and one of the reasons he is travelling to Russia is to conduct a pilgrimage to seek an audience with the Pope and visit Christ's birthplace.



Heinrich von Münchausen.
Chosen as part of the delegation for his knowledge of Indian culture, law and traditions, this cosmopolitan rejects the current nationalist tendencies rampaging India and Germany alike, proclaiming in contrast that the culture of the educated upheaves the boundaries of language and religion. He served formerly as secretary for the late foreign minister Chanakya when he visited Berlin and studied under his guidance, his brilliance resulting in a deep mutual respect between the two. In addition to speaking fluent French, American and Indian, he has for the occasion taken to learn Spanish and Russian, having a good understanding on each language upon his arrival.



Johann Dürer
A nobleman from the Seeland Island Barony, this man is a representative for the Island province and head of the German navy. He is deeply involved in the recent emergent Germanic nationalist movement and believes Germany should assume its place as one of the great powers of the world, denying legitimacy of interference in German affairs. Despite his staunch opinions he is a skilled diplomat and is interested in coming to a compromisical solution.

[Robert]

To: Boris Shuisky, Prime Minister of the Russian Empire
From: George Washington

Dear Prime Minister Shuisky,

I will attend your meeting, and am very thankfull to you for organising it.
John Adams will join me in this Grant Summit.
Since Spain has been invited (without any direct connection to the conflict) I want to ask you to invite the Inca's and the English as well.

Kind regards,

George Washington
King of America

[KunojiLym]

To: George Washington, King of America

We had not invited the Northern Alliance, mainly because they have not expressed an interest in the Southern Problem; indeed, they might be concerend with things that are more important to them. Still, in the interest of completeness, Russia shall extend the invitation to the remaining nations of Terra, namely, England, Inca and China.

Boris Shuisky
Priome Minister of the Russian Empire

[The Capo]

Spanish Delegation to the Summit in Moscow

TO: Prime Minister of Russia, Boris Shuisky
FROM: Don Pedro Abarca de Bolea, Chief Foreign Minister to Emperor Carlos V of Spain.

The Spanish have decided upon a delegation to attend the summit in Moscow in September. We will send three representatives Don Diego de Parma, General Alfonso Chavez, and myself; Don Pedro Abarca de Bolea. Accompanying us will be a number of servants and aides, we will provide coin for their lodging.

We will, obviously, not require the service from Yaroslav'l as we are familiar with your countryside due to our eternal state of peace, friendship, and cooperation. In celebration of this bond, our Emperor Carlos V and his Queen Maria de Bourbon will also visit Moscow and Czar Peter II but shall not attend the summit as Spain is not directly involved in the conflict. We are merely here to serve as witness, and as counsel to those embroiled in the crisis.

We assure His Majesty Peter II that despite how our Germans view our letters, we are here for peace, and simply want certain questions to be addressed directly by Germany. We see no reason to place Robert on trial or be punished in any capacity, that is for his own people to decide.

Emperor Carlos will arrive a few days before the meeting to speak with Czar Peter II.

Thank you, we shall see you shortly,

Don Pedro Abarca de Bolea

[condor223]

Queen Geria, our beloved daughter will attend the conference. As the new wife to the Russian Ruler, she is in a position to send China a translation of the actions and words during the summit.

[Robert]

First I want to say thanks to Peter II and Pope Paul VI for hosting this meeting.
For those who are interested, here are the minutes of the log. I'll filter out the most interesting parts later.

Russia: All the principle parties are here now.
* America greets Rabbi Jacob o fthe germans
* America greets Peter II, thanks for hosting this meeting!
Germany: (read the post, jacob isnt with the delegation)
* America greets the Pope
* America leaves to sint petersburg after he left Berlin where he greeted Jacob
* India wonders why the Americans don't recognize their German counterparts
Russia: lol
* America asks the pope and Peter to join him on their journey to Moscow
Russia: We are already in Moscow >_>
* America arrives at moscow and greets an indian guy about who he's not sure who he is but he doesn't dare to miss-guess
Russia: *ahem*
America: So, Pope, what are your reasons to believe that Jesus Christ is the long awaited Jewish messiah?
India: India asks that we stick to the matter at hand
Russia: I, Peter II, hereby declare the summit open.
Russia: First of all, I will present the facts of the matter
America: May I ask something?
Russia: Can it wait till after the summary?
America: Maybe we should all introduce each other, who's at this summit?
America: I'm George Washington, King of America, I can take all decisions that are nessecary
America: for my country
Russia: If you haven't already done so, you may.
America: Maybe we should all introduce each other, who's at this summit?
America: [ooc] sorry, I forgot you're a slow typ... uh thinker [/ooc]
Russia: (( *slaps ro silly* ))
* America = silent
Germany: Germany's delegation consists of Hermann of the High Council, Gerhard of the Island Barony and the thinker Heinrcih von M�nchausen.
America: von Munchuasen, isn't that the guy who pulled himself out of the swamp by his own hair?
India: representing India is Foreign Minister Mahendravarman
* Russia raises an eyebrow at ol' George
Germany: ((slaps ro silly, yes, but I'm not asking you about cherry chopping))
America: ((hehehehehehe))
Germany: ((its a character))
Russia: (( lol ))
America: The indians apparantly are not amused
America: [/funny modus]
India: The Indians find the habits of her southern neighbors to be quite... peculiar
Russia: Now that we are all introduced, let us get to the matter at hand
Russia: The Southern Problem, essentially, stems from the question of the status of Boston
Germany: The German delegation agrees.
Russia: Ancillary to that is the question of the use of German mercanaries in general, but it is my belief that Boston is the issue that first needs settlement
Russia: I ask America to present their case, first
America: I must say that I'm representing France in this matter as well
America: alright
India: as can usually be assumed
America: Ok
America: The city of Boston was founded by american citizen who left the capital of Robingthon in the year 3240
America: Before Christ (the guy the pope says of that he's 'our' messiah)
America: The city of Boston was founded within the borders that India and America agreed on
America: America and India had diplomatic relations since the dawn of civilization
America: America and India were even great friends!
America: They saw that the territory they shared was little, and agreed to decide on borders
America: A map was drawn, and both America and India respected this border
America: Then the incidents with the Jews in Russia came to pass
America: I will not go into that matter, besides that I do really regret that both our nations lost their friendship
America: Robert, our former king, has admitted that he made mistakes in that war
America: Like all involved nations have made mistakes
America: The war started with a failed assault on Boston by the Indians.
America: Then the Americans marched to MAdras, and besieged it for years
America: We would have token the city, were it not that the stand-in king of France launched the attack on Madras too soon, why we lost it
America: AFter we got much dagmages, the Indians decided to go for Boston
America: Their tactic was awesome, and impressed America deeply
America: The americans succeeded in taking Boston by force
India:
America: ((yes, I am impressed about that! won't happen again though ))
America: Then the world grew weary about the war
America: The northern allies of the star alliance faced much russian troops and lost one city
America: The german and French troops near the american borders had been eliminated
America: And India achieved victory
America: All nations wanted peace. The incan could trade Novogrod for the city they lost
America: Neither the french nor the germans had lost cities
America: So all pressure was on America to give up boston for world peace
America: America agreed and gave in, not only by giving up Boston, but by accepting more conditions from the indians
America: America lived up to these conditions untill the day that Boston fell again
America: The Indians ruled over Boston, they did this in a fair way
America: The american citizen were treated respecfully
America: Though they longed to become a part of America again
India: lies
America: The nations the belonged to
America: Yes India, you did treath the Americans in Boston respectfullly! That's no lie!
Russia: Russia respecfully requests that there be no interruptions while each delegation makes their case
America: I'm sorry that it doesn't fit in your image of a hard guy, but the citizen were not unhappy about the indian administration!
America: Thanks Peter!
America: Anyway
India: indeed, and they had no wish to rejoin their former taskmasters
India: but i shall be quiet now
America: I don't really know what a taskmaster is, but the Americans asked our former king Robert to rejoin the american empire
America: A small empire, for sure compared to large empires like India, with lots of territory and goodies
America: Then Robert decided to build up an army to frighten the Indians to give up Boston
America: He mixed up two tactics unfortunately
America: While his 1st tactic was to frighten the Indian
America: his 2nd (more millitary tactic) was to hide a part of his army so that the Indian catapults would attack and colletarol damage only a small part of the army
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America: ARGH my msg was too long
America: will type it again
America: Since most land around Boston was still america
Russia: (( that happened to me lots ot times ))
America: (most farmers still concidered themselves to be american, which proves that the people in that areaq
America: all concidered themselves to be more American then indian)
America: but because of that the armies of America (build up by troops BOUGHT for france and germany for MUCH money and goodies)
America: could march to boston immediately
America: Since the greater part of the army of america was invisible to the indians they were not scared immediately
America: which caused Robert doing a foolish thing (as he admitted himself)
America: he started a small scale attack on Boston to impress the americans
America: (americans = indians)
America: the indians counter attacked with their catapults (as the 2nd tactical plan was)
America: and then Robert marched the greater part of the army to the front
America: The indians were scared and started negotiation
America: But Robert foolishly started a few more attacks to scare the indians
America: Then he stopped, and the Indians PEACEFULLY gave over Boston (which is quite different then the force they used to get Boston during the World War)
America: Boston is American, all surrounding lands are american
America: The people are american for the greater part
America: The centuries that the indians have ruled over Boston is more then enough to compensate them for the losses during the World War
America: Though because America agrees that it's their fault that casualties have fallen during the last battle for Boston, america agrees to pay for this
America: and offers India 7 units of it's own arms for compensation
America: And of course peace, peace like we used to have in the beginning of time
America: When America and India were the first nations on Terra to have peacefull relations
America: I have spoken
America: ((only people who can type as fast as me are allowed to say that much))
Russia: Thank you, America. Now I call on India to present her case.
India: alright
America: so far I agree!
America: ((sorry))
India: a rebuttal or just covering all that happened from an indian perspective?
Russia: Just the case
India: ((and i don't have all day))
India: what?
Russia: Rebuttals can be made when the floor is open
India: Americans have much nerve to speak of peace when over the last few hundred years, all India has seen from her is war and lies.
India: the Great War was started with a determined effort by America for war
India: India wished merely to maintain the integrity of its own borders
India: and keep out American missionaries
India: however instead of respecting our wishes, the Americans called for war and threatened to assassinate the Russian Czar.
India: India still has received no explination for why America was so hell bent on war long ago, but lately it seems like a pattern.
India: most all of the southern theater of that war was fought on Indian soild.
India: *soil
India: India fought a defensive war to protect itself from German, French & American conquests.
India: Madras, one of India's most important cities was nearly taken by the southern Jews, with additional threats to march through the rest of our nation conquering territory
India: no city of ours was safe the Americans said
India: they proved it too when Delhi was assaulted
India: hundreds of years of developement around our esteemed capitol city was looted and burned
India: however despite their greed and trechery, the Indian army proved victorious
India: we defended Madras and captured Boston out from under them.
India: seeing how the tables had turned, America finally asked for peace
India: Boston was given to India formally and permanently as compensation for the destruction to India's economy by America in that war
India: countless lives lost from Jewish looting & burning
India: peaceful nations of this Terra must have some recompense for the crimes commited on its soil by outside invaders?
India: ((no question, oops))
India: with the American invasion repelled, India settled into what we thought would be a never ending peace
India: India had not built any military since the end of the war, adopting a pacifist outlook
India: we had hopes of living in peace with our American and Russian neighbors for eternity
India: India prospered under Ashoka
India: so too did the people of Boston
India: Indian Boston outstripped that of American Boston eight-fold
India: to them it was a neglected outpost, to us it became an important and cherished city
India: the population of Boston is 7/8ths Indian
India: they were happy as Indians
India: and happy as part of India
India: India regarded them as a pearl that could bridge the gap between us and America
India: as they had near equal admiration for American and Indian cultures
India: it seemed like our chance for brotherhood was at hand.
India: however that was all smashed by the trecherous Americans & germans.
India: instead of living aside us as brothers, they marched an army on us unprovoked
India: demanding Boston be turned over to them or they would conquer us
India: replaying the mass death and destruction of the Great War
India: Ashoka, our EMporer at the tinme did not wish to revisit the horrors the southern Jews inflicted upon India again, so capitulated.
India: against the wishes of India and against hte wishes of the people of Boston
India: It was after this capitulation that the people rose up to defend their abandoned brothers in Boston
India: Indians for India we chanted.
India: Ashoka was deposed and a new man, a man of hte people, a man of justice was made First Consul
India: Rajaraja knew that the southern Jews wouldn't stop in their demands
India: in the last war they demanded Madras and Delhi
India: this time they demand Boston
India: last time they got a fight, and were beat back
India: this time they were just handed their prize with only some Indian bloodshed
India: with such a track record the greedy southerners would dismantle all of India. Next Madras, then Lahore, then Bombay...
India: this is a scary situation
India: as the Jewish greed knows no limits
India: so we have had enough and demand they back down
India: once and for all
India: they have no love for peace
India: never have and never will
India: that is all
Russia: Thank you, India. I now ask Germany to take the floor
Germany: Heinrich von M�nchausen of the German delegation takes the floor
Germany: I wish to state a few details of the case presented.
Germany: The first war is not the matter
Germany: but it does still influence our time so it is of importance.
Germany: I have studied German and Indian history.
Germany: I have read the writings of Kings, Generals and soldiers alike
Germany: The conflict of the Great War was a great blight upon not only our nation, but all the worlds civilizations.
Germany: I say this not because of its consequences, that were dire, but because it could so easily have been avoided
Germany: The main reason for the escalation and outbreak of the Great war was as the Indian delegation stated a conflict over jewish missionaries travelling through India
Germany: Yet this conflict could have been solved in a number of simple ways.
Germany: First of all, India could merely have closed their borders.
Germany: They did not do this.
Germany: Second, America could have recalled their missionaries
Germany: they did in a way do this
Germany: as these missionaries left Indian territory
Germany: however they were still travelling north, which India demanded stop.
Germany: This minor conflict burst out into war when the king of russia and the king of america became angered over their differences over the jews in russia
India: ((btw, I do have to go in like half an hour... so lets not take too long..))
Germany: I notice Indias impatience.
Germany: My point is merely this. The Great war was a horrible mistake of our ancestors.
Germany: But the greatest mistake was the surrender of Boston to India.
Germany: This created in the american people a desire for their people to be reunited.
Germany: And we are here today because of that desire.
Germany: A desire that has at the moment been fulfilled.
Germany: India claims that America wishes to expand further at their expense
Germany: Then I must ask the members of the summit, why did America agree to a peace receiving Boston?
Germany: America was far stronger than India and could likely have conquered Madras, possibly even Delhi if they desired to do so.
Germany: Yet they did not.
Germany: This shows that America wished only to reunite their people.
Germany: Not as India claims, conquer all of India.
Germany: As for the matter of the population of Boston, India itself stated officially that 45% of the population of Boston was Indian. not 7/8 as they state here today
India: May I clarify?
Germany: That is all we have to say concerning the matter of Boston.
Russia: Thank you Germany. The floor is now open.
Russia: So you may clarify as you wish, India
India: indeed, the 45% number is not a population number as some may have maintained
India: it is merely a cultural affinity
India: as I stated, many in Boston do appreciate American culture and religion
India: however Boston was a mere outpost on the fringe of America when we came across it
India: it has expanded eight-fold since it became a part of India
India: thus today over 87% of the population is Indian
India: that they admire some American culture does not change this fact
Germany: Nonsense. A peoples culture is what defines their nationality
America: May I speak?
India: India was in a rather cosmopolitan time
India: they appreciated the culture of many different nations
Russia: Hold a moment, America
America: It concerns the nationality of Boston
India: Boston admired American culture whilst being entirely Indian ethnically
India: so if America wishes to have that 13% of Boston that is actually american returned
India: so be it
India: but India wishes for the 87%
Russia: Alright, you may speak, America
America: Mr. Mahendravarman, if we can agree that we split Boston in two parts, the American part and the Indian part, we have a deal?
India: how would you acomplish such a feat?
America: check this
America: All please open the file I've just send to you
Russia: (( can't you just put it in photobucket? ))
America: ((I putted it on my own server, but it fails, I'll put it on poly, hang on))
India: ((Americans are a backwards, ignorant people....))
* Germany stumbles and mumbles
America: We are! Therefor we value family values and do we wish to be a united kingdom
America: Check the report I've just send to you
America: It's a report that shows the number of citizen in Boston that is American
America: if you do not trust the American administrators, then be free to enter Boston yourself, ((start the game, log in as america and open boston in the year 1960, 1 turn after the war))
Russia: (( failedto receive the file ))
Germany: 1960?
America: 1160
Germany: we're in 1255....
India: more American lies!
Germany: America brings proof!
India: 1960?
Germany: What does India bring?
America: I'm sorry, it's 1160
India: India brings a knowledge of the year
India: and no lies
Russia: (( someone send me the file ))
America: ((hang on, I'm trying)
America: I wanted to come with a huge rebutall
America: I have much information regarding the World War and as shown of the current status of Boston
America: But apparantly the Indian care most about the population of Boston, thus I think this is enough.
India: in the interests of time, India will be frank
India: Boston must be returned to India, that point is non-negotiable
America: ((what's your e-mail address, Peter??)
Germany: India has no grounds for it
Germany: The people of Boston are American
America: So, India talked a lot, but in the end all those word were empty?
America: Why did we have to listen to all those words spoken out by India, if in the end no words are needed and India
India: India does not have time to spend days discussing the history and eating habits of the people of Boston
America: just blatantly wants Boston, no matter if their words are true or not
Russia: (( email@kuno.ru ))
America: The proof given by America is complete, Boston is 100% American, and the Indian reaction shows that
Germany: If India does not care for the people of Boston, then they do no deserve to rule them
America: But I'll send the proof to Peter II, let him judge this proof
India: India did not come here to discuss whether or not Boston should be returned to its rightful Indian owners. India came to discuss further consequences for Jewish trechery
India: however the southerners seem to have little care for compromise or discussion on this matter
India: believing themselves to be in the right on this
India: which they clearly are not
India: unprovoked invasions are never right
America: Why did you talk all those nonsense, if that was not where you came for?
India: yet they have done this twice
America: I have more proof, about American letters in which it promises to not spread judaism to the north
Russia:
/me peruses the report
America: But even after those letters the Indians attacked America
America: But there's no need for briging that proof either, I guess, since the Indians do not care and just want to expand to the south
America: (( I have send the report))
Russia: (( i know, just looked at it ))
America: The troops that India lost because of the force used by america can be compensatd
India: the Americans accuse us of being expansionist, when it is they who have twice invaded India demanding INdian cities
America: but Boston was not achieved by Force of arms, it was given to America
America: I want to compensate all that you lost because of American aggression
America: I will however not compensate you for what you have given to us out of free will.
Russia: It was given to American via intimidation, as a point of clarification
Russia: But it seems that both parties are talking past each other
America: Boston was token from America by force of arms
Germany: Indeed
India: "given"?
India: preposterous
Germany: Indeed to Peter, that is
America: Peter II, what is your impression of the population of Boston?
Germany: India has no interest in a compromise....
India: India came here to compromise, but the southerners refuse to discuss it
America: What is your compromise, India? I have already offered my offer
Russia: The Boston populace show a marked affinity to American culture, to be sure, partly perhaps due to the theatre that is evident in these pages
Germany: So it is agreed that Boston's people are American?
Russia: It may not be an accurate reflection, however, of the desires of the citizens of Boston
India: India wished to hear what others had to say about consequences to stop unsolicited invasions like this from occuring in the future.
India: However the Jews refuse to even fix the invasions of the past, let alone stop invasions in the future.
America: Peter II, that's the culture, but it tells you what part of the population is American. it states that 100% of the population is American
India: that is a lie
Germany: It is clear evidence. How can it be a lie?
America: It is a lie? 100% of the population of Boston is NOT american?
India: how can we talk about future peace if we cannot mend past wars?
America: You say that even Peter is lying?
Russia: I feel compelled to point out that Novgorod, though it has been 100% Russian for most of its existance, has always been slightly apart of and independant of the rest of the Russian Empire
Germany: I agree with India, we must amend the imbalance caused by the Great War.
India: Boston had a population of 1,000 Americans when it was taken by India
America: If I will ever attack Indian cities without any cause (thus: without that the Indians invaded America first) all nations of Terra may turn against me
India: a small population, a small outpost
India: now Boston boasts 337,000 people
Germany: 337,000 American people
India: all from the time it was part of India
Russia: So the fact that Boston is 100% American, is, to me, not conclusive evidence of the desires of the citizens of Boston
America: Mahendravarman, American fathers and mothers get american babies. they teach their children to speak americanish
America: Besides that, Boston was bigger then only 1000 people.
India: indeed my earlier projections were incorrect
India: with a growth of 1000 to 337,000 over Ashoka's rule
America: But once again, Mahendravarman, what is your compromise? Maybe we may agree on a compromise, despite that we disagree on other facts
India: no doubt more are Indian
India: first we must agree that Boston be returned to India
India: then we discuss other solutions like demilitarizing Germany
America: That's hardly a compromise, is it?
India: and other economic compensaion
America: Peter, can you propose any compromises?
India: compared to the alternative that shall soon rain down upon you, yes it is indeed
Russia: I propose this:
Russia: Boston shall alternate rule between India and America, with both nations sharing the proceeds from the sugar fields
India: unacceptable
America: I am willing to give sugar to the indians for free for eternity
America: That sounds like a good compromise, to begin with
Russia: Which part is unacceptable?
India: Boston will be returned to India without caveats, that is the precondition for this negotiation
India: all other negotiation must stem from that first step
India: if America is unwilling to comrpomise ont his point, then there is no further progres we can make
India: open hostility can not be rewarded in such a fashion
America: Let me cite a line from the archives of Robingthon from before the Great War, from Robert LXVII to the Indian Administration
Germany: America is willing to compromise, Russia considers it fair. Yet India did not come here to compromise, they came merely to make unacceptable demands in order to gain some reason for their planned aggression.
India: blind greed for conquest shall not be rewarded
Germany: India listen to your own words
America: Robert to the Indians before the great war: "Though again I promise, I will not let my missionairies enter Indian land against your wishes."
India: A German army marched on Boston for no purpose, no provokation
India: simply to conquer
India: yet germany and america see no problem with that
Germany: There was no German army.
India: that is a crime against all peaceful nations
India: and shall not be tolerated
Russia: May I appeal for some calm, gentlemen?
America: imagine that I will hand over Boston to the Indians
India: if war is how you conduct your diplomacy
India: than it is war you shall get
America: then the city will be ruled by an alien administration again
America: The people won't like it
India: the people are Indian
India: 336,000 of them
America: The american will feel discomfortable again
America: one day or another day war will break out again
India: I care not whether Washington feels uncomfortable or not
America: It is impossible to maintain a city that's not yours for long
Germany: I support the Russian compromise
America: You can conquer a city like Boston, like India did.
Germany: does America support the Russian compromise?
America: You can try to keep it, but in the end you won't be able
America: the people will revolt
India: then India shall make sure that the southern barbarians will never be capable of waging another offensive war again
India: for the good of all civilized people of terra
Russia: The facts are as follows: Boston, founded by America, was taken by India as a result of the Great War, and administered for a long period of time.
Russia: Then America, with the aid of German mercenaries, intimidated India into relinquishing the city, resulting in the Indian nationalistic backlash
America: The people may revolt without the influence of America
India: you shall reap a hell your holy books have never imagined
Germany: Such is the language of India when on a mission of peace?
Russia: a-HEM!!
America: Our holy books are holy to the Russians as well, I wonder what the pople has to say about that!
India: the Jews have no interest in peace, no interest in right or wrong, no interest in justice, no interest in anything but their own blind greed
India: India has no time for such insults
India: We shall meet again on the field of war.
*** India has left the chat.


edit: removed kuno's e-mail address

[KunojiLym]

I am in the process of compiling a report; it will be out shortly.

Boris Shuisky
Prime Minister of the Russian Empire

[Robert]

Here's proof for the 100% American nationality of Boston, on the moment that America regained Boston.

[Robert]

According to the Indians Boston grew from a status-1 city into a status-8 city during the Indian period of the city.

This proof shows that the city just grew to status-8 again after the americans regained control over the city, because of the birth-wave directly after the citizen celebrated the "We love the king" day in Boston.

More proof can be given later that Boston was already a status-4 or status-5 city during the first great war. Our investigators are looking into this, some say that it may already have been a status 6 city.

In the worst (american) case, Boston grew from status-4 city to status-7 city under Indian rule.
In the best case it grew from status-6 to status-7 under Indian flag.
It's clear that it didn't grew from status-1 to status-8, as the Indians argumented during the summit.

The small expansion of Boston under Indian governament was just because American parents got American children, the 100% american citizen status already shows that all people of Boston concider themselves to be America, despite the short Indian period.

[Robert]

Facts about Boston:

- America founded Boston
- Boston was American for the grand majority of tmie
- India captured Boston by force
- America regained Boston by diplomacy (through intimidation)
- Boston is 100% American by population
- Boston is 56% American cultural
- When the Indians ruled over Boston, 50% of the surrounding land was still American
- When America regained Boston, 100% of the surrounding lands was American
- The people welcomed the American back in Boston by immediately celebrating a "We love the King" day
- The hapyness in the city of Boston immediately resulted into a birth wave, promoting the city into a size-8 status city

- India first said that half the population of Boston was Indian
- Then India claimed that at least 45% was Indian
- Then India suddenly claimed that 7/8th of Boston was Indian
- When the facts were presented, India refused to accept these facts, and started yelling
- India claimed that Boston grew from status-1 to status-8 under it's reign
- India demands Boston back, free passage through America to fight Germany and America's former King as "compromise"

- America offers peace and wants to repay the Indian military losses
- Russia suggested the compromise in which America should pay Sugar to India for eternity in exchange for peace
- Both Germany and America accepted this compromis, India refused

In the end it appeared that the parties involved in the great summit came for nothing, since India never came to seek peace and compromise. Washington didn't see his bed before 01:30, despite that he had a full day in the office the day after. What a waste, if we would have known that India didn't come to talk, we would have skipped the summit.

America is still open for a real compromis, but fears that it has to strengthen it's borders. It asks all nations of Terra for help. America does not seek expansion of it's territory, for it would have done so with the hugest army it ever had while the Indians were weak. America only wanted to united it's people again. It wanted to regain Boston, an American city, as all proofs have shown.

Every nation that wants to support America is welcome to send military units to Boston to defend it. Offensive purposes are not asked from anyone, for America does into seek war.

[KunojiLym]

The Grand Summit, held in the Grand Ballroom of the Imperial Palace

Chaired by: Peter II, Tsar of the Russian Empire, and Paul IV, Pope of the Catholic Church

Minutes taken by: Boris Shuisky, Prime Minister of the Russian Empire

Delegates present:

Hermann of the High Council, Gerhard of the Island Barony and the thinker Heinrcih von M�nchausen, of Germany
King George Washington of America (also representing France)
Foreign Minister Mahendravarman of India

Also present:

Geria, Tsarine of the Russian Empire, Princess of China

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The delegates introduced themselves, before getting down to business. The Tsar started off by summarizing the Southern Problem; namely that it stems from the question of the status of Boston, with the question of the use of German mercanaries in general being an ancillary issue. He then directed each delegation to present their case.

America was first to speak. The King stated that the city of Boston was founded by american citizen who left the capital of Robingthon in the year 3240 BC, and that it was founded within the borders that India and America agreed on. He noted that America and India had diplomatic relations since the dawn of civilization, and were even "great friends". Thus when they saw that the territory they shared was little, they agreed to decide on borders. Then the incidents with the Jews in Russia came to pass. The King declined to go into that matter, and mentioned that he regretted India and America losing their friendship in that manner. King Washington went on to reiterate that the former American king, Robert, has admitted that he made mistakes in that war, just as with all the involved nations. He went on into details about the war which the writer will not dwell too much upon, only noting what he said with regards to the peace settlement afterwards. Namely, that the pressure was on America to give up Boston for world peace. America agreed and gave in, not only by giving up Boston, but by accepting more conditions from the Indians. King Washington said that America lived up to these conditions untill the day that Boston fell again. He noted that the Indians ruled over Boston in a fair way, and the american citizen were treated respecfully, though he claimed that they longed to become a part of America again.

At this point, India protested the claims as lies; the Tsar intervened, and requested that there be no interruptions during each speech until the floor was opened. Continuing, the King claimed that "the Americans asked our former king Robert to rejoin the American Empire", whatever that means. Then he finally came to the point, which was the circumstances surrounding Boston at the time of American intimidation. Namely, that Robert decided to build up an army to frighten the Indians to give up Boston. Unfortunatedly, according to the King, he mixed up two tactics; to frighten the Indians, and to hide a part of his army so that the Indian catapults would only be able to damage a small part of his army. Claiming in an aside that most farmers still concidered themselves to be American, which proves that the people in that area all concidered themselves to be more American than Indian, he went on to say that because of that the armies of America (build up by troops bought from france and germany for much money and goodies, or so he claimed) could march to boston immediately. Since the greater part of the army of America was invisible to the indians they were not scared immediately, which caused Robert doing a foolish thing (as he admitted himself); he started a small scale attack on Boston to impress the Indians. After a skirmish, Robert marched the greater part of the army to the front, whereupon the Indians started negotiations. But Robert foolishly (according to King Washington) started a few more attacks to scare the Indians. Then he stopped, and the Indians peacefully gave over Boston, which, the King noted, is quite different then the force they used to get Boston during the World War.

King Washington concluded by saying that Boston is American, all surrounding lands are american, and the people are american for the greater part. The centuries that the indians have ruled over Boston are more then enough to compensate them for the losses during the World War. Though because America agrees that it's their fault that casualties have fallen during the last battle for Boston, America agrees to pay for this and offers India 7 units of her own arms for compensation; and of course peace, peace like American and India used to have in the beginning of time.

India was the next to take the floor. Mahendravarman lamblasted America for having the nerve to speak of peace when over the last few hundred years, all India has seen from her is war and lies. He went on to say that the Great War was started with a determined effort by America for war. India wished merely to maintain the integrity of its own borders and keep out American missionaries. However instead of respecting our wishes, the Americans called for war and threatened to assassinate the Russian Czar. The Foreign Minister stated taht India still has received no explaination for why America was so hell bent on war long ago, but lately, he further noted, it seems like a pattern. He stated too that almost all of the southern theater of the Great War was fought on Indian soil. India fought a defensive war to protect itself from German, French & American conquests. Madras, one of India's most important cities was nearly taken by the southern Jews, with additional threats to march through the rest of our nation conquering territory. "No city of ours was safe the Americans said," Mahendravarman added, and went further to say that they proved it too when Delhi was assaulted. Hundreds of years of developement around Delhi was looted and burned. However despite the Jewish nations' "greed and trechery", the Indian army proved victorious, defending Madras and capturing Boston out from under them. Seeing how the tables had turned, America finally asked for peace. Boston was given to India formally and permanently as compensation for the destruction to India's economy by America in that war, and countless lives lost from Jewish looting & burning. The Foreign Minister said that peaceful nations of this Terra must have some recompense for the crimes commited on its soil by outside invaders.

With the American invasion repelled, Mahendravarman noted that India settled into what they thought would be a never ending peace. India had not built any military since the end of the war, adopting a pacifist outlook, and had hopes of living in peace with their American and Russian neighbors for eternity. India prospered under Ashoka, as did the people of Boston. Mahendravarman noted that Indian Boston outstripped that of American Boston eight-fold. To quote, "To them it was a neglected outpost, to us it became an important and cherished city". He stated also that the population of Boston is 7/8ths Indian, and that they were happy as Indians, and happy as part of India. India regarded them as a pearl that could bridge the gap between them and America as they had near equal admiration for American and Indian cultures. It seemed like the chance for brotherhood was at hand. However, that was all smashed by the trecherous Americans & Germans, Mahendravarman said. Instead of living aside India as brothers, they marched an army on India unprovoked, demanding Boston be turned over to them or they would conquer India, replaying the mass death and destruction of the Great War. Ashoka, the Indian Emporer at the time did not wish to revisit the horrors the southern Jews inflicted upon India again, so capitulated, "against the wishes of India and against the wishes of the people of Boston".

It was after this capitulation that the people rose up to defend their abandoned brothers in Boston. Ashoka was deposed and a "man of the people, a man of justice" was made First Consul. Mahendravarman stated that Rajaraja knew that the southern Jews wouldn't stop in their demands. In the last war they demanded Madras and Delhi; this time they demand Boston. Last time they got a fight, and were beat back; this time they were just handed their prize with only some Indian bloodshed. The Foreign Minister said that with such a track record the greedy southerners would dismantle all of India, from Madras, to Bombay, which is"a scary situation", as "the Jewish greed knows no limits". He concluded by saying that India have had enough and demanded that the southern nations back down "once and for all". As a parting shot, he stated that they "have no love for peace, never have and never will".

Heinrich von M�nchausen of the German delegation was the next to take the floor. He first touched on a few details of the case presented. The first war is not the matter, but it does still influence our time so it is of importance. Heinrich went on to say that the conflict of the Great War was a great blight upon not only Germany, but all the worlds civilizations, notbecause of its consequences, that were dire, but because it could so easily have been avoided. The main reason for the escalation and outbreak of the Great war was as the Indian delegation stated a conflict over jewish missionaries travelling through India. Yet this conflict could have been solved in a number of simple ways. First of all, India could merely have closed their borders. They did not do this. Second, America could have recalled their missionaries. They did in a way do this, as these missionaries left Indian territory; however they were still travelling north, which India demanded stop. This minor conflict burst out into war when the king of russia and the king of america became angered over their differences over the Jews in Russia. At this point, the Indian delegation was showing signs of impatience, which was duely noted by Germany, as Heinrich only added that the Great War was a horrible mistake of our ancestors; the greatest mistake was the surrender of Boston to India, as this created in the American people a desire for their people to be reunited. And the delegates were here in this summit because of that desire, a desire that has at the moment been fulfilled. Heinrich noted that India claims that America wishes to expand further at their expense. He then asked the members of the summit, why did America agree to a peace receiving Boston? For America was far stronger than India and could likely have conquered Madras, possibly even Delhi if they desired to do so, and yet they did not. Germany said that this shows that America wished only to reunite their people, and not as India claims, conquer all of India. As for the matter of the population of Boston, India itself stated officially that 45% of the population of Boston was Indian. not 7/8 as they state here today. Thus was the German statement concluded.

The Tsar opened the floor, and India was quick to issue a point of clarification regarding the last point that the German delegation had made. The 45% number is not a population number as some may have maintained, but merely a cultural affinity. He stated again that many in Boston do appreciate American culture and religion; however Boston was a mere outpost on the fringe of America when India came across it, and it had expanded eight-fold since it became a part of India. Thus today over 87% of the population is Indian, and that they admire some American culture does not change this fact. India was in a rather cosmopolitan time; they appreciated the culture of many different nations. Boston admired American culture whilst being entirely Indian ethnically. Concluding, Mahendravarman said that if America wishes to have that 13% of Boston that is actually american returned, so be it, but India wishes for the 87%.

Germany dissented, saying that a people's culture is what defines their nationality. Meanwhile, America passed a report about (attached below), while asking India if she would agree to a deal whereby Boston was split in two parts, the American part and the Indian part. India asked how the feat would be accomplished; America did not reply, but instead directed the delegates' attention to the report. King Washington said that it wasa report that showed the number of citizen in Boston that was American in the year 1160 AD. He further said that if the delegates did not trust the American administrators, then they could feel free to enter Boston themselves. He further noted that he wanted to come with a huge rebuttal as he had much information regarding the World War and of the current status of Boston, but apparantly the Indian care most about the population of Boston, thus he believed that this is enough.

At this point, India stated that she would be frank, in the interest of time. That is, Boston must be returned to India, that point is non-negotiable. Germany protested that India has no grounds for it, as the people of Boston are American. Meanwhile America accused India of saying much but with empty words, and that in the end "India just blatantly wants Boston, no matter if their words are true or not". King Washington went on to say that the proof given by America is complete, Boston is 100% American, and the Indian reaction shows that. Germany added that if India does not care for the people of Boston, then they do not deserve to rule them. India retorted that she did not come here to discuss whether or not Boston should be returned to its rightful Indian ownersbut rather to discuss further consequences for Jewish trechery; however the southerners seem to have little care for compromise or discussion on this matter, believing themselves to be in the right on this, which they clearly are not; for unprovoked invasions are never right, yet they have done this twice. America then said that she had more proof, about American letters in which it promises to not spread judaism to the north, but even after those letters the Indians attacked America. King Washington further said that there's no need for bringing that proof either, since the Indians do not care and just want to expand to the south. The troops that India lost because of the force used by america can be compensated, but Boston was not achieved by Force of arms, it was given to America. King Washington said that he wanted to compensate all that India lost because of American aggression, but he would not compensate India for "what you have given to us out of free will". India, meanwhile, dismissed the American accusations of being expansionist, and pointed out that it is the Americans who have twice invaded India demanding Indian cities. India further dismissed American claims of "free will" as "preposterous".

The Tsar, at this point, clarified that Boston was given to American via intimidation, and further noted that America and India seemed to be talking past each other. Germany agreed on that point, and further noted that India seemed to have no interest in a compromise. While America asked for the Tsar's impression of the population of Boston, India said that she came here to compromise, but "the southerners refuse to discuss it". The Tsar said, in response to America, that "The Boston populace show a marked affinity to American culture, to be sure, partly perhaps due to the theatre that is evident in these pages. It may not be an accurate reflection, however, of the desires of the citizens of Boston." America then questioned India on her compromise. India responded by asking to hear what others had to say about consequences to stop unsolicited invasions like this from occuring in the future. However the Jews refused to even fix the invasions of the past, let alone stop invasions in the future. In respond to the Tsar, America pointed to a part of the report that stated that 100% of the population is American. India immeadiatedly dismissed it as a lie; Germany stated that it was clear evidence, while America expressed disbelief at the Indian accusation. The Tsar noted that that Novgorod, though it has been 100% Russian for most of its existance, has always been slightly apart of and independant of the rest of the Russian Empire; So the fact that Boston is 100% American, is, to the Tsar, not conclusive evidence of the desires of the citizens of Boston.

There was further debate over the technalities of the issue, before India came up with her compromise; first the return of Boston to India, and then the discussion of other solutions like demilitarizing Germany, and other economic compensation. America protested that that was hardly a compromise, and asked the Tsar for a proposal. The Tsar oblidged, proposing that Boston shall alternate rule between India and America, with both nations sharing the proceeds from the sugar fields. America stated that she was willing to give sugar to the indians for free for eternity, and that sounded like a good compromise to beginwith. India, on her part, immeadiatedly dismissed it as unacceptable; when asked for clarification by the Tsar, she stated that Boston will be returned to India without caveats, that is the precondition for this negotiation, and all other negotiation must stem from that first step. India further noted that if America is unwilling to comrpomise ont his point, then there is no further progress to be made; open hostility cannot be rewarded in such a fashion, and blind greed for conquest shall not be rewarded.
Germany then noted that America is willing to compromise, Russia considers it fair. Yet India did not come here to compromise, they came merely to make unacceptable demands in order to gain some reason for their planned aggression. Germany further asked that India listen to her own words. India retorted that a German army marched on Boston for no purpose, no provocation; simply to conquer; and yet Germany and America see no problem with that.
Germany immeadiatedly protested that there was no German army, as India went on to say that it was a crime against all peaceful nations and shall not be tolerated. The Tsar appealed for calm, as America noted that should Boston be handed over to India, the city will be ruled by an alien administration again, and the people won't like it. The Americans would feel uncomfortable again, and war would be inevitable. King Washington further noted that it is impossible to maintain a foreign city for long, as the people would revolt. India reiterated that the people of Boston are Indian, "336,000 of them", and then stated that she shall make sure that the "southern barbarians" will never be capable of waging another offensive war again, for the good of all civilized people of Terra. At this point, talks completely broke down, and the Indian delegation left soon after, saying that they would meet again "on the field of war".

In the aftermath, Germany appealed to the Tsar to remain neutral in the conflict; America went further, appealing for Russian aid in their defense. In the end, the Tsar agreed to neutrality, and further stated that he would send troops southward as observers, to ensure that the southern states were really fighting a defensive war, among other things; he declined, however, to get further involved than that. Germany also expressed fear of Spanish involvement in the upcoming war. Shortly after this, the other delegations retired, and the summit was concluded.

Scribed by:

Boris Shuisky
Prime Minister of the Russian Empire