Beyond the Sword Fact Sheet

[Xorbon]

Originally posted by Dale

Originally posted by Methos
Just a thought, but since they [Firaxis] seem to be looking at civs that broke off of others (i.e. colonies feature), what SE Asian civs have a strong historical significance that were once part of one of the current included civs?

Australia was part of England.

Wait a minute. Are you calling Australia a south-east Asian country?

[Virdrago]

Originally posted by Thedrin


Is there a link to this. It'd be interesting to see the 4 eras of Charles V.

I agree.

[Will9]

Originally posted by Alexander I


Charles V (1500-1558) is the Hapsburg emperor on "the Tudors." His possessions included the HRE, Spain, large portions of Italy, the Netherlands, and American colonies.

He was basically Lord of Europe, and made lesser rulers like the Kings of England and France wet their pants in fear.

Incidentally, he was also a hidden leaderhead in Civ3.

Was he going to be the Austrian leader?

[Locutus]

Just a thought, but since they [Firaxis] seem to be looking at civs that broke off of others (i.e. colonies feature),

Uhm, what makes you say that? So far we know of Babylon, Portugal, Netherlands, HRE, Native Americans, Byzantium and Mayans. Of those, only the Netherlands really broke off from another civ (the Spanish), although even that is a bit of a stretch in the scheme of things (the Dutch obviously existed as a culture and a people long before the Spanish kings inherited their lands). I guess you could argue that the Byzantines broke off from the Romans but that's again a bit of a weak case (it's the western empire that broke off and fell apart) and certainly has nothing to do with colonies breaking away. If Firaxis had been looking for that they'd have added civs like Canada, Brazil, Venezuela, Mexico, Australia, Indonesia, South Africa, etc...

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Will9

Was he going to be the Austrian leader?

Yeah. I'm kind of surprised you guys haven't seen him already. If you have Civ3 you can open up the files and see him there.

[Will9]

Originally posted by Alexander I


Yeah. I'm kind of surprised you guys haven't seen him already. If you have Civ3 you can open up the files and see him there.

I don't know how to open up the Civ3 files (I still have it installed on my computer, I've been to busy playing Civ4 )

[Virdrago]

Originally posted by Locutus


Uhm, what makes you say that? So far we know of Babylon, Portugal, Netherlands, HRE, Native Americans, Byzantium and Mayans. Of those, only the Netherlands really broke off from another civ (the Spanish), although even that is a bit of a stretch in the scheme of things (the Dutch obviously existed as a culture and a people long before the Spanish kings inherited their lands). I guess you could argue that the Byzantines broke off from the Romans but that's again a bit of a weak case (it's the western empire that broke off and fell apart) and certainly has nothing to do with colonies breaking away. If Firaxis had been looking for that they'd have added civs like Canada, Brazil, Venezuela, Mexico, Australia, Indonesia, South Africa, etc...

True. If we really wanted to stretch things, from what civs we know about, we would get this:

America from England
Zululand from the Netherlands (remember, I'm stretching these)
Zululand from England
Byzantium from Rome
England from Rome
America from France
America from Portugal
America from Spain
Persia from Babylon
SE Asian civ from India
Russia from the Vikings OR
Russia from Mongolia
China from Mongolia
Portugal from Spain
Mali from France (1880s European conquest of Africa)
Netherlands from Spain
France from HRE
Germany from HRE
Celts from Rome
Egypt from Greece
Babylon from Greece

All of the first, at one time or another, under control (if not militarily, then culturally) of the second

[Alexander I]

Hey, look what I found! It's yours truly! I had this conversation four years ago! And I had the image back then too! I certainly don't anymore, I don't even know where my Civ3 discs are.

This explains it all:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=2469206

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86159&perpage=30&pagenumber=1

Here you go:

[Will9]

Originally posted by Alexander I
Hey, look what I found! It's yours truly! I had this conversation four years ago! And I had the image back then too! I certainly don't anymore, I don't even know where my Civ3 discs are.

This explains it all:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=2469206

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86159&perpage=30&pagenumber=1

Here you go:

I remember seeing that leaderhead in a scenario. Poland in Middle Ages I think. Thanks for looking that up though.

[dregor]

Damn I miss the evolving leaderheads through the ages.

[Virdrago]

Originally posted by Will9


I remember seeing that leaderhead in a scenario. Poland in Middle Ages I think. Thanks for looking that up though.

The ancient leaderhead was a Germanic Barbarian leader (Alaric of the Visigoths, I think) in the Fall of Rome scenario, too.

I also miss the evolving leaderheads.

[Will9]

Originally posted by dregor
Damn I miss the evolving leaderheads through the ages.

It was a way to know at glance how advanced someone was. It sometimes scared when I saw them a get a new one about 20+ turns before I get into that age.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Will9


I remember seeing that leaderhead in a scenario. Poland in Middle Ages I think. Thanks for looking that up though.

No problem. I found it by accident in a Google search. Imagine my surprise at finding that it was me!

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Alexander I


Charles V (1500-1558) is the Hapsburg emperor on "the Tudors." His possessions included the HRE, Spain, large portions of Italy, the Netherlands, and American colonies.

He was basically Lord of Europe, and made lesser rulers like the Kings of England and France wet their pants in fear.

Incidentally, he was also a hidden leaderhead in Civ3.

He also made the Pope his prisoner, funnily enough. And imprisoned the King of France, too.

[Ekmek]

Man the BTS fact sheet is getting out of date