Beyond the Sword Fact Sheet

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
The HRE led by Charlemagne? Who had that idea?

Barbarossa

Looks like he's going in my mod idea too.
Hebrews. Barbarossa. I'm betting this list is going to get longer.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by dregor
HRE just seems really reduandant to me. Oh well, not really going to complain about it, more civs is good either way for varieties sake.

Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what Augustus' new traits are? I'm going to go with Organized/Aggressive.

How can you have a non-Imperialist Roman leader?

[Nacht]

Originally posted by dregor Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what Augustus' new traits are? I'm going to go with Organized/Aggressive.

IMP/IND according to the chat.

[Nacht]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
How can you have a non-Imperialist Roman leader?

Well, he isn't in Warlords

[dregor]

Ahh, I didn't read the chat transcript, just the summary. Imp/Ind makes sense too, it was one of the ones I considered. I just went with Org/Agg because he was Org in Warlords (and not Imp!)

[Virdrago]

Originally posted by Solver
Nice summary Virdrago.

Thanks. I didn't realize it would take over an hour and a half to summarize it all. After I was done, I was an hour away from starting work - and I hadn't slept yet. Oh well. It was worth it.

I'm probably the only person who cares about this, but I wonder how many more turns there are, and how they have been 'inserted' into the timeline...hmmm

I was wondering, too, but I'm thinking most will be in the modern age. Personally, I'd like to spend more time in the ancient to medieval, but this XP is focusing on post-gunpowder...

Ahh, I didn't read the chat transcript, just the summary. Imp/Ind makes sense too, it was one of the ones I considered.

I only had the summary as well, or I would have mentioned it. I had a feeling Augustus wouldn't lose the Imperialist trait - but the combo does make sense, I agree.

Yeah. One Germany was enough. We didn't need another one. And no, Charlemagne or not, the HRE is historically primary a German state.

Or a French one. Both countries look to Charlemagne as part of their roots. At the same time, we do have two Romes (Rome and Byzantium) and two Greeces (Greece and Byzantium again), technically.

[Virdrago]

Originally posted by Dale
Actually, they said 3. Different theaters and time periods.

Thanks for the correction. I missed that.

Guerilla 3 exists in Warlords already. It's not new.

It's been awhile since I upgraded anything to Guerilla 3. My mistake.

read: then dumped in Blake's code

I also didn't want to say anything about Blake's code, since I knew someone else would, and I wanted to be as impartial as someone can be without sleeping all night. I knew someone would read any inference... and I should have realized, Kuci, it would be you.

[Nacht]

Originally posted by Virdrago
I also didn't want to say anything about Blake's code, since I knew someone else would, and I wanted to be as impartial as someone can be without sleeping all night. I knew someone would read any inference... and I should have realized, Kuci, it would be you.

Blake's name was repeatedly mentioned during the chat, so it's no secret anymore that his AI is included. Naval invasions were mentioned as being much better now thanks to Blake, so it won't be just the BetterAI he left in januari. They included a player's tip warning players to defend their coastal cities.

[Nikolai]

Originally posted by Virdrago
Or a French one. Both countries look to Charlemagne as part of their roots. At the same time, we do have two Romes (Rome and Byzantium) and two Greeces (Greece and Byzantium again), technically.

Charlemagne and his successors did get the title Holy Roman Emperor. However, the HRE was most of it's time in existence a primary German based state, with German members and German leadership. With few exceptions, Germans ruled the HRE. France was a separate entity long before the HRE developed into the loose post- Nappy federation and later the nationstate Germany.

[Will9]

Originally posted by Nikolai


Charlemagne and his successors did get the title Holy Roman Emperor. However, the HRE was most of it's time in existence a primary German based state, with German members and German leadership. With few exceptions, Germans ruled the HRE. France was a separate entity long before the HRE developed into the loose post- Nappy federation and later the nationstate Germany.

Just mod the game to call them the Franks, like I will. It seems much less German.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Nacht
Well, he isn't in Warlords

you're right

[Kuciwalker]

I don't mind them adding Blake's AI, I think it's a great idea. But I'm going to give Blake the credit for the improvements

[LDiCesare]

Charlemagne and his successors did get the title Holy Roman Emperor.

Charlemagne was the last Emperor recognized as such by Byzantium. Therefore, he could be a leader of the Romans, French or German. The following Emperors were not recognized by Byzantium and were all german except for Lothaire and Charles, who would be king of France.
The Holy Roman Empire was first called Holy by Barbarossa if I'm correct, so Charlemagne was never the emperor of the HRE but he was just Emperor of Rome, like Augustus or Justinian.
I just wonder what the cities of this civ will be. Aachen and Rome were the major cities in Charlemagne's empire, but I don't think the latter will make it.
And what will be Charlemagne's traits? And the UU?

[Will9]

Charlemange's UU- Fransica Thrower (replaces Axemen) 1-2 first stricks.

[Thedrin]

Charlemagne and his successors did get the title Holy Roman Emperor. However, the HRE was most of it's time in existence a primary German based state, with German members and German leadership. With few exceptions, Germans ruled the HRE. France was a separate entity long before the HRE developed into the loose post- Nappy federation and later the nationstate Germany.

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The Holy Roman Emperor was little more than a title of prestige long before Napoleon came along. The powerful Habsburgs may have dominated the role of Holy Roman Emperor for a few hundred years prior to Napoleon but they derived their power from other sources - not the legacy of Charlemagne. By this time the most significant surviving legacy of Charlemagne was France - a rival of the Habsburgs.