Hebrews: Chosen People, but not for Civ?

[LordShiva]

Psst... Arabs are a civ in Civ4

[ZEE]

ive never been happy with the vague term "arab." there are dozens of arabian civs like the shiite, kurds, sunni, not to mention countries such as the syrians, iranians, jordanians, etc, AS WELL AS the arabs. all of whom might be sub-divisions of the religious branches of islam described above. im just saying they should include them if the hebrews are in. for BALANCE...




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[Solver]

I really doubt it. Arabs are a civ in Civ4. So are Persians, from which many draw their heritage. I can see some people getting upset on the inclusion of Hebrews if there were no Muslim Middle-Eastern civs included, but that's not the case. So, I really really doubt that the inclusion of Hebrews would trouble anyone except hardcore antisemites.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Solver
I really doubt it. Arabs are a civ in Civ4. So are Persians, from which many draw their heritage.

And the Ottoman Turks, so that's 3 traditionally Muslim civs.

Originally posted by Solver
I can see some people getting upset on the inclusion of Hebrews if there were no Muslim Middle-Eastern civs included, but that's not the case. So, I really really doubt that the inclusion of Hebrews would trouble anyone except hardcore antisemites.

Personally, I think the Hebrews' cultural contributions far outweigh those of any other so-called "minor civ" anyway.
And for one, they've managed to survive as a relatively cohesive cultural, if not ethnic, entity for over 2000 years, and usually in hostile surroundings.

And why include two Hebrew religions if the civ itself is not worthy of inclusion? But this is just scratching the surface of the iceberg.

[Jaybe]

Hebrews: Why not

If Hebrews were in the game, then they should be required to get the Jewish religion. Since it would a huge exploit/game-breaker for a player to know it was so decreed, I would prefer they not be included.

[Alexander I]

Re: Hebrews: Why not

Originally posted by Jaybe
If Hebrews were in the game, then they should be required to get the Jewish religion. Since it would a huge exploit/game-breaker for a player to know it was so decreed, I would prefer they not be included.

How come? I don't view the Hebrew culture and the religion Judaism to be mutually exclusive.

[Solver]

Hebrews shouldn't be required to get Judaism any more than the Indians are required to get Hinduism. Civ isn't about playing through history, it's rewriting history.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Solver
Hebrews shouldn't be required to get Judaism any more than the Indians are required to get Hinduism. Civ isn't about playing through history, it's rewriting history.

Indeed.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Jaybe
If Hebrews were in the game, then they should be required to get the Jewish religion. Since it would a huge exploit/game-breaker for a player to know it was so decreed, I would prefer they not be included.

Why would that follow? India is in the game, but they don't automatically get Hinduism. And the Arabs don't automaticaly get Islam, nor the Chinese Confucianism.

[ZEE]

like i said in my first post in this thread, i understand fully why the hebrew would be a welcome addition. yet the tensions or worse that could follow is sadly a reality of our world. religious debates have caused major wars in history.

is adding the hebrew too risky for sid? possibly. would some people like to see them in the game? absolutely. would it cause problems for firaxis and thats why they havent put them in? who knows.


i stand by my earlier posts...



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[LordShiva]

I'm pretty sure Jaybe was kidding.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by AAHZ
yet the tensions or worse that could follow is sadly a reality of our world. religious debates have caused major wars in history.

is adding the hebrew too risky for sid?

The same issue that would make it too risky to include the Hebrews would also make it too risky to include the Arabs, though.

[ZEE]

would it alexander? i think it wouldve been risky NOT to include the arabs even if it is vague representation. The Jewish religion IS present in civ4, a sort of culture of Hebrews that any civ can adopt. this is a tricky topic, and one of the most sensitive that ive been a part of here, so i mean to offend nobody.


great job putting all of this into a positive perspective though.



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[LordShiva]

BTW, it's spelled "peace"

[ZEE]

Originally posted by LordShiva
BTW, it's spelled "peace"

psst......






.......its a parody





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