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  • Originally posted by JackRudd
    Not after the patch, it won't be. The patch downgrades the Great Wall's output to 1 Great People Point per turn.
    Damn.

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    • The CS slingshots have been nerfed, and the GW has been weakened... and I can't really disagree with the decisions.

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      • Originally posted by Arrian
        The CS slingshots have been nerfed, and the GW has been weakened... and I can't really disagree with the decisions.

        -Arrian
        How do you change the CS slingshot?

        And where does the word nerf come from?

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        • CS now requires Mathematics as well as Code Of Laws. Oh, and Great Prophets now tend to pop Masonry if you haven't already got it.
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          • Originally posted by JackRudd
            CS now requires Mathematics
            Mathematics just keeps getting stronger. It'll be a prereq for Bronze Working next.

            However, I know another slingshot, but I'm not saying it, because it'll get nerfed too!

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            • Originally posted by couerdelion
              And where does the word nerf come from?
              I don't know exactly how it became currency around here, but it is sometimes used in motor racing to describe bumping an opponent to either slow them down or even incapacitate them. Quite appropriate, I think.

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              • nerf footballs are soft foam things that don't hurt when you get pelted in the face with them, nerfed means "made wimpy/ impossible"
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                • Originally posted by Metaliturtle
                  nerf footballs are soft foam things that don't hurt when you get pelted in the face with them, nerfed means "made wimpy/ impossible"
                  Thanks for that. So now I know I don't think I will be using the term

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                  • Oh well, looks like the Warlords patch means another re-write...

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                    • Originally posted by Swiss Pauli
                      Oh well, looks like the Warlords patch means another re-write...
                      that's why obvious exploits should not be called "strategy". most extreme example was civ3's great library slingshot

                      i guess only the early chops was not an exploit but just a badly balanced release. same could (should?) happen with whipping which still is extremely powerful. otoh, blake now made the AI use whips effectively, so it's all good again
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                      • Originally posted by sabrewolf that's why obvious exploits should not be called "strategy".
                        Prophet tricks aside, I don't think the CS sling could be described as a exploit, or even 'gamey'. It's still possible post-patch, but will be harder to achieve. Blake even did it (by hutting Maths, natch).

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                        • Originally posted by Swiss Pauli

                          Prophet tricks aside, I don't think the CS sling could be described as a exploit, or even 'gamey'. It's still possible post-patch, but will be harder to achieve. Blake even did it (by hutting Maths, natch).
                          Asides from such freakish events as popping Mathematics, is CS slingshot realistically achievable at any reasonably high level of difficulty?

                          I can see that the Philo slingshot is still possible although this would mean using the Oracle or GS to pop Mathematics – somewhat of a waste I think. Also, I am not sure where the patch places Masonry relative to Code of Laws. Would it still be possible to lightbulb CoL while researching Mathematics and that way open up CS for the Oracle. Either way, an early GP is somewhat wasted making it more likely that the best option would be to go Philo rather than CS

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                          • I think it will be a lot harder, but I guess that's the point: I don't think that CS (in any form) was envisaged in the list of 'grabbable' techs via Oracle or GP. So before it was Working as Designed, but not Working as Intended.

                            Re: CoL lightbulb - not sure you'll be able to generate enough GPP in time, but a Philo civ might do it with Henge and temple priest.

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                            • Classical-era expansion

                              A helpful addition to the strategy guide might be a "schedule" of sorts, to know how far along you should be by a given year. It does suggest to have 6-8 cities by 1 AD, but I find myself having troubles expanding this fast, not because of lack of commerce, but because it seems that pursuing ancient wonders is incompatible with getting enough settlers out the door. When do I want four cities? Does sufficient expansion almost require conquests? (My hunch after several abandoned starts seems to be yes.)

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                              • Re: Classical-era expansion

                                Originally posted by shimmin
                                Does sufficient expansion almost require conquests? (My hunch after several abandoned starts seems to be yes.)
                                Based on my experience, it either requires agressive settler expansion early enough to hurt your economy and research with city upkeep payments or it requires conquest.

                                Conquest also hurts your economy and research when you are forced to deal with those new cities' upkeep costs, but you can choose to initiate your conquest fun after you have discovered either Code of Laws or Currency (or have a Shrine to your religion built).

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