Custom Race- Best Stats?

[oshox]

And oh yeah, is there a way to go back and research a technology in a field you've already passed up, IE going back and getting Biospheres when you've already researched Hydroponic Farms?
Ignorantly Yours,
OshoX

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by oshox
And oh yeah, is there a way to go back and research a technology in a field you've already passed up, IE going back and getting Biospheres when you've already researched Hydroponic Farms?
Ignorantly Yours,
OshoX

NO. If you select Hydro, you lose the chance for Bio. Of course if creative you get both.
You will now have to steal or trade for Bio.

[originalbork]

Oshox,

The thing about Uni Tol Large +1 pro is that you do get all production multipliers. When you play a production race like that the idea is to get a bunch of planets say 6 and then start researching. The extra buildings and pop you have will more than make up for it in the long haul.

If you balance your choices you will minimize their effects.

With that race take bios, 2 extra pop on your home can feed 6 pop.

If you are in an ave or min galaxy kill the first monster on a food world you can. Uni Tol +1 on a Huge Gaia UR. Lights out. That is a BB every couple turns. With AF and RM that is 15 pro + 18 per worker. If that planet just farms for itself you get 519 production per turn.

[bakalov]

Yes, oshox, with unification (or actually with any race that has +food) you will do better if you take the biospheres. I am using hydros only if I am playing creative, and I am playing creative only in SP - for MP it is too slow ;-)

[originalbork]

Bak,

Well I bought the game. On ME it is a mess. I couldn't see any wormholes (had to go star to star) and I couldn't use the see moves in combat.

First game I did a 168 turn extermination/assimilation of 7 ai on prewarp, ave, huge. Not bad after 4+ years of not playing.

Bork

[Hydro]

My favorite race concentrates on a huge population, and therefore production and research ability. It also has a health intrinsic food and industry bonus (see below):

Aquatic (food bonus due to ice and swamp being ‘terran’ and ocean and terran being ‘gaian’; pop size bonus due to ocean and swamp being terran and terran and ocean being gaian)

Subterranean (larger pop overall)

Large home world (your initial world is so critical – let it grow and get huge, especially with the aquatic/subterranean combo: pop 28 (30 w/biospheres)!!)

Unification (food and industry bonus, and no morale hits)

- spy penalty (cover this by building lots of defensive probes, and augmenting with some spy tech picks)
- ground combat penalty (use tech and numbers to overcome)
- direct fire penalty (concentrate on MIRV missiles early and mid game, then go with +100% computer late in the Computer tech tree and go direct fire; the AI is pretty hopeless on missile defense, especially against MIRV pulsons en-mass!)

This leaves 2 picks left over, so when you get +4 picks late in the Bio tech tree you can go Telepathic!!! No more transports, and then your fleets literally roll over the universe.

[vmxa1]

Without commenting on anything else you said, I would just ask:

Why leave 2 pick and pass up on RHW?
Why do I need any picks that late in the game, especially Tele? I could see Omi, if stealth ships are around.
A Tele has to beat the defense and if you do that you can either conquer or destroy as you please. Your fleets are literally rolling over planets whatever your traits at this point.

[bakalov]

Good work, Bork :-) For the wormholes - I don't know why the ME should mess with them, but from my experience I cannot see them too until i raise the brightness of my monitor a lot ..... For the other thing "see moves" I couldnt understand you? Pls, explain. If you mean that you cannot switch your ships by clicking on them it depends on if the initiative option on the game settings is turned on.

I'll try a speed kill with the same conditions with my fav SP race :-)

[Hydro]

vmxa1 – you are right that by that part of the game it is usually long over. The only reason to go with telepathy is to reduce the pain-and-agony of having to construct and lug around all those transports. Basically, it makes the foregone conclusion easier to attain. I have to admit that I at this point I usually abandon these games as boring, or I have long since been elected to lead the senate since my population is so huge (even without conquering anyone).

[originalbork]

Bak,

Turned the brightness up and everything on the screen was fixed.

During a speed kill, I quit any game where I get a splinter before turn 60. I got it down to 153 on my 2nd game with Uni-tol-rep-+1 pro large.

I didn't do the same tech tree I do in MP. I took Tach Comm as I never used anything but missile boats and I took anti-grav harnes because of the amount of ground combat I would be in.

I really believe that I could go 0 pop on tech after I get Ions and irridium and speed my kill time to about 140-145.

Catch you later
Bork

[makka]

My personal favorite MoO2 race is a Lithovore with production and research bonuses, spying and ground combat penalties

This does tend to make me play genocidaly as I don't want these annoying citizens who need food so I just bombard and settle

In the earlier versions I Loved being able to afford creative as well as Lithovore and a productivity boost....

[vmxa1]

Lith can be good.

[originalbork]

Ok, I got the total down to 137 with a non-splinter start. Still using uni-tol-large- +1 pro, repulsive -so -sd I decided the combat penalty was costing me.

Heck I even did turn 179 by vote with tactical combat off.

Still playing Huge 7 imp ai ave gal prewarp.

If you want VXMA upload a random start with my race and I will walk you through the horror that is a speed kill. The worst I have done is 165 turns.

[vmxa1]

Originalnork, that is fast. If you have one of your runs that is fine. Or start a new one and pick it up from around turn 50. That would be great.
My problem is I do not like to play real aggressively and that makes it hard to win early.

[originalbork]

VXMA,

Well if you want a passive victory, I just did that at turn 215 without ever attacking an AI world.

I colonized everything other than ai worlds I even colonized in their systems. The only battles I had were over my worlds. I never attacked, I just blockaded every ai system.