MIRV Missile Attack?

[vmxa1]

Thanks.

[Urban Ranger]

So what's the verdict?

[vmxa1]

You tell me. What is you perspective? In a prewarp game at impossible, I can not bank on waiting to get a battleship, can you? I have seen the AI show up with 4-6 ships by the time I can get a single cruiser up with races like the Klacs next door. If they have a whack job for a leader you may be starting a new game real quick. If I am non creative, I will not have any missile bases, maybe no fighter garrisons and not much for a computer. Some times, I can win that battle with a cruiser and a frigate with missiles and my star base, sometimes not.

[Zealot]

I usually must have a BB around turn 100. Make that before turn 100. In medium maps in multiplayer everybody usually launches a fierce attack by that turn, so only 1 BB usually isn't enough, but it's better than nothing. On simgle mode... I'm going to make an experience. Me vs 3 AIs, large map, average tech, organic rich, no rands, no ants, Impossible.
I'll let you know what I'll get around t100.
But I bet I'll probably use modded lasers than MIRV missiles, since they're quite more expensive to research than to build 2-3 modded laser BBs.

[Zealot]

Ok guys, her's what I got:
I went for MIRV nukes because I had a sweet Hydra system begging me to colonize it, so I went for it.
I met the Trilarians, and since I'm amost finishing building 2 fully modded laser BBs, they won't have much time left to live.

Check it out, and try to get the same I got by turn 100 in your own games.


Edit: Ohh I forgot to build the Space Academy in the colony Gontzol II. Build it before building the BB, because a laser BB with green crew is just an expensive suicide.

[vmxa1]

I will try to get a look at it before the weekend. I am midway into a PTW game now. Note that the times I was using are for prewarp games.

[bakalov]

vmxa1, I promise that I will make some saves (duh! I used to play always without save :P) and complete log for you ....

I will try moomin's strategy for early diplomatic victory :-) with some modifications of myself and even try to beat the 7 turn time :-)
If I am successful I will tell you guys how I did it ....

[vmxa1]

Ok , I never tried the vote, just not for me. I use the vote in Moo to end the game once in awhile if I am bored.

[bakalov]

vxma1, I usually use the vote for the same reazon :-))) I like to kill them all (except 1) and go for Antares .....

I tried that strategy but I don't understand something - no matter how I play the first vote occurs for me always exactly after stardate 2.5 ..... No matter the race, or alliances, or colonies, or anything .... Does anyone know why this could be? May be beacuse I am playing 1.31? I don't remember how it was before the patch ......

[bakalov]

And here are the promised saves & logs:

With X/Y/Z I will notify that I changed my pop assigment that turn and X is for farmers, Y for Workers, Z for scientists; The first number in the row is the stardate when that happened :-)

Log for game 1:

0.0 3/0/5
0.2 3/1/4
0.3 3/3/2
0.4 Finished Research: Electronic Computer 3/0/5
0.7 Pilot Hawk appeared, I don't like him and dismissed him w/o hiring
1.1 Finished Research: Research Labs & Started building it 3/2/4
1.3 Pilot V'larr appeared 180 BC (has Megawealth)
1.4 Bought the Research Labs
1.6 Finished Research: Construction lvl.1
1.9 3/2/4
2.3 Finished Research: Automated Factories, Bought them
2.4 Started building trade goods, 50% tax
2.7 Finished Research: Hydroponics Farms
3.1 Hired V'larr (at last!) 0% tax Started building Hydroponics 4/2/5
3.4 Bought Hydroponics 4/0/7
3.7 3/2/6
4.0 Finished Research: Cloning center & bought it
4.1 Started Building Soil enrichment
4.6 Bought Soil enrichment 4/0/9 Started building Biospheres
5.1 Finished Research: Neural Scanners, Bought Biospheres
5.3 Leader Appeared: Rash-Iki
6.2 4/2/10
6.9 Researched Supercomputer & Bought it
7.0 Started building Holo Sim.
7.3 Finished Research: Battle Pods. Bought Holo Sim. 4/1/13
7.7 Finished Research: SpacePort & Bought it
7.8 Hired Rash Iki & Assigned to Sol 4/1/14
8.4 4/12/4 (Because of research going to 100%)
8.5 Finished Research: Robo Miners & Bought it 4/8/8
8.6 Finished Research: Freighters
8.7 Finished Research: Fuel cells
8.8 Finished Research: Lasers 4/3/13
8.9 Finished Research: Colony Ships
9.0 Leader appeared: Chug, Hired him & Assigned to Sol
9.1 Finished Research: Class I Shields
9.3 Finished Research: Deuterium
9.7 Finished Research: Force Fields lvl. 2
10.4 Finished Research: Class III Shields 4/0/18
10.5 Finished Research: Fusion 4/2/16
10.7 4/13/5
10.8 Finished Research: Battle Scanner 4/0/18
10.9 Finished Research: Space Academy & Started Building it 4/18/0
11.0 Built Space Academy, Started Building BB
11.3 Pilot Jarred appeared, Bought BB (save here)

Log for game 2:

0.0 3/0/5
0.2 3/1/4
0.3 3/3/2
0.4 Finished Research: Electronic Computer 3/0/5 (Again bad luck :-( )
0.9 3/2/3
1.1 3/2/4
1.3 Finished Research: Research Labs & Bought it 3/0/6
1.6 Finished Research: Biospheres (I don't know why I started this first, my mistake)
1.9 Finished Research: Constrction lvl.1
2.0 Pilot V'larr appeared (again :-) )
2.5 Finished Research: Automated Factories & Started Building it
3.0 Built Automated Factories. Started Building Hydroponics.
3.1 Hired V'larr 4/2/5
3.4 Bought Hydroponics
3.6 3/2/6 (should have done it at 3.5)
3.9 Appeared Pilot Jarred
4.0 Finished Research: Clonning Center & Bought it
4.1 Started building Soil Enrichment
4.5 Bought Soil Enrichment & Dismissed Jarred w/o hiring - decided that I cannot afford him
4.6 3/2/8
4.8 Bought Biospheres 3/0/10
5.0 Finished Research: Neural Scanner
5.7 Jarred Appeared again (this time he's better and for 300BC)
6.1 4/2/10
6.3 Finished Research: Supercomputer & Bought it
6.4 Started building holo simulator
6.6 Finished Research: Battle Pods
6.8 Bought Holo Sim.
7.1 Finished Research: Spaceport & Bought it
7.7 Finished Research: Robo Miners & Bought it 4/7/8
7.8 Finished Research: Freighters
7.9 Finished Research: Fuel Cells
8.0 Finished Research: Lasers 4/2/13
8.1 Finished Research: Colony Ship 4/0/15
(this game I am doing it a bit faster :-))
8.3 4/10/6
8.4 Finished Research: Class I Shield
8.6 Hired Jarred (on the last turn possible)
9.0 Finished Research: Force Fields lvl.2
9.4 Gnolams contacted me. Made trade & Research with them
9.6 Leader Khunagg appeared & Hired him & assigned to Sol
Somewhere here my planet became Ultra rich :-) Did someone say that a player cannot get lucky :-) I was sooooo happy that I forgot to log the exact star date of this event :-)
9.8 Sakkra contacted me (they are repulsive, duh ....)
9.9 Finished Research: Class III Shield
10.1 4/15/3
10.2 Finished Research: Deuterium Fuel Cells 4/0/18
10.3 Finished Research: Fusion
10.4 Finished Research: Space Academy & Started building it 10/0/18
10.5 Built Space Academy
10.6 4/16/2
10.7 Finished Research: Battle Scanner, Started Building BB
10.8 Bought BB, Made Non Agression with Gnolam (save here)
Now Jarred will go to hunt some Sakkras :-) Many colonies with large pops ...
They are tolerant too and I will make them excellent workers.
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I played it a bit further: Jarred first killed an eel (not even a treat :-) & by 14.5 there was Sakkra Empire no more ....

[bakalov]

Ah, here are the saves for my previous post - I forgot to attach them, sorry :-)

[vmxa1]

bakalov, I can't help with the vote stuff. I got the save and will check it out right after Zelots, which is up today. I finished the PTW game last night.

[vmxa1]

Ok Zealot, I ran a game with those specs. I am at turn 72 and have a BB in the queue with something like 22 turns. The pop is set 3 farmers, 7 ind and 7 sci. IOW I could make it sooner if need be. I will come back to this game later as bakalov has a run I want to look at.

[vmxa1]

Just in case anyone what tocheck out the start. I have a log if needed, I can post it.

[vmxa1]

bakalov, I rn the first game out to T114 with my normal mode. I see the Sakkra are neighbors and will be calling when they get the range. I have no clue how big they are, but knowing them it will be large. I am going to try to run the second game exactly as you did and see what I get. I am not sure if the first game is in trouble or not. The second game may be ok, if you can get very aggressive. Did you play either of them out farther? If so what happened? Here is the t114 form my first run so ou can see and tell me if there is any real difference or not. I have three colonies and an outpost.