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  • #61
    If you don't grow out of it eventually, however, it definitely becomes creepy.
    Don't see why you have to grow out of it. Any fiction author creates worlds of fantasy in their head. Are you saying that all authors are creepy?

    Same thing goes for people who play video games more than about 12 hours a week, are they necessarily creepy. (Okay, I'll give you that point there...) but no more so than the loser who sits drunk at the bar carping about how the world's goin' to hell in a handbasket week after week after week.

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    Main_Brain... that hierarchy is frighteningly true.
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    SCA- the Society for Creative Anachronism... basic RenFaire types... I'd say that they're pretty odd and on the same level as people who play Mage:The Acension, you have a few crazies who give everyone else a bad name, but they're considered more legitimate since they're actually sort-of recreating historical battles and things of that nature, rather than inventing whole worlds in their heads.

    Jon- as for the vampire players... yes, in the hierarchy of LARPING I'd assume it goes something like this:

    Model UN Participants
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    Murder Mystery Players
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    Historical Recreation (SCA)
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    Fantasy/Sci-Fi game LARPers
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    Vampire: The Masquerade LARPers

    Sorry vampire players, we just love to rib you from time to time... Perhaps the worst comment I heard about a vampire game was this:

    "I think that the best part of the night was when X droned on about political things for over an hour, and everyone was falling asleep at the table, then he dropped that bombshell that everyone almost missed and nearly got away with controlling everything himself!"

    I'm not certain exactly what was going on in the Vampireark Ages game (which was running concurrently with the Mage and Werewolf games) but it definitely seemed quite odd. The vampires spent most of the three night game in closed-door meetings... sort of like political or business backroom negotations. No one really knew what they were up to.

    The three games generally, I am told, have their own pacing- Vampire is not meant to be a game where you run around and fight things (not quite certain what happened in your game Jon...) It's supposed to be a slow political game of machinations and planning.

    The Mage game (which is the only one I've experienced through personal play) is a tactical game. You have to decide the best combinations of powers to create the effects that you want. You need to spend time planning, but there are definitely large payoffs to be had.

    The Werewolf game is basically a stand up, fall down, fight sort of game. (unless of course you're a corax (wereraven)... those guys are shall we say, a little different.)

    When the games are combined also, it generally works better if the sides are either independent of each other, or cooperate slightly. In a stand-up fight, the vampires (i am told) tend to get slaughtered by Werewolves... and Mages, if they're willing to die in the crossfire and incur obscene paradox points, can probably take on everyone if they have time enough to prepare.
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    • #62
      It wasn't a real LARP...

      JM
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Main_Brain
        yes its true Roleplayers consider themselves less geeky than LARP
        See also:
        http://www.brunching.com/geekhierarchy.html

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        • #64
          Okay, understandable then Jon. Tabletop requires more runaround shootemup things generally.

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          Basically the way that I view the Vampire game is like in that scene from the Simpsons where they are spoofing Star Wars: Episode II (Senate Redistricting). The entire audience is being bored to death watching the characters debate voting policy... then a huge robot shoots its way through the wall in order to request a rider on a senate bill... Everyone in the audience starts cheering since something finally happened! but then, of course, the evil Senator Palpantine orders the robot to sit down and wait its turn... and it does.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by Main_Brain
            yes its true Roleplayers consider themselves less geeky than LARP
            See also:
            http://www.brunching.com/geekhierarchy.html
            very funny Of course POTM and several of her friends are also into fanfics, mainly Harry Potter related, and often involving self-insertion. But these days it seems lots of bright kids that age are into similarly geeky stuff. At least the live action roleplaying kids are running around and getting exercise (and socializing, of course).

            When i was younger the geeky kids (other than the trekkie and scifi types) were into historical war board games.
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            • #66
              Originally posted by DarkCloud

              Don't see why you have to grow out of it. Any fiction author creates worlds of fantasy in their head. Are you saying that all authors are creepy?
              That's the difference, isn't it? The author doesn't have to run around in the woods slaying wizards to validate the worlds of fantasy created in his or her head.

              Same thing goes for people who play video games more than about 12 hours a week, are they necessarily creepy. (Okay, I'll give you that point there...) but no more so than the loser who sits drunk at the bar carping about how the world's goin' to hell in a handbasket week after week after week.
              Again, that would apply to someone who dressed up as his or her favourite video game character, not someone who just played the games compulsively.

              Of course, there's something of a creepiness test to it all. If you can't see where the line lies between a healthy imagination and outright creepiness, you're probably somewhere on the wrong side of it.
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              • #67
                Originally posted by joncha


                That's the difference, isn't it? The author doesn't have to run around in the woods slaying wizards to validate the worlds of fantasy created in his or her head.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by joncha


                  That's the difference, isn't it? The author doesn't have to run around in the woods slaying wizards to validate the worlds of fantasy created in his or her head.



                  Again, that would apply to someone who dressed up as his or her favourite video game character, not someone who just played the games compulsively.

                  Of course, there's something of a creepiness test to it all. If you can't see where the line lies between a healthy imagination and outright creepiness, you're probably somewhere on the wrong side of it.
                  Damn, I agree with Joncha.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by lord of the mark


                    very funny Of course POTM and several of her friends are also into fanfics, mainly Harry Potter related, and often involving self-insertion. But these days it seems lots of bright kids that age are into similarly geeky stuff. At least the live action roleplaying kids are running around and getting exercise (and socializing, of course).

                    When i was younger the geeky kids (other than the trekkie and scifi types) were into historical war board games.
                    Historical war board games rock!

                    But it is true that kids are geeky these days.. I use to be an Anime geek, but averagish teens are geekier (in that respect) then I based upon the Manga they read.

                    JM
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                    • #70
                      Fanfic went terrible with the advent of the internet. It use to have at least some respectability in SF circles.. several current (commercial) sci fi writers got started with fanfic type stuff. Maybe it is becoming respectable again?

                      JM
                      Jon Miller-
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                      • #71
                        Are SF circles the right people to judge respectability in the first instance?

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by DrSpike
                          Are SF circles the right people to judge respectability in the first instance?
                          as opposed to be folks who play electronic games based on SF?
                          "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                          • #73
                            Well as long as it isn't Sims in Space yeah.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Jaguar

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                              Tigger tigger tigger tum?

                              Er, what does that stand for?

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Jon Miller
                                Fanfic went terrible with the advent of the internet. It use to have at least some respectability in SF circles.. several current (commercial) sci fi writers got started with fanfic type stuff. Maybe it is becoming respectable again?

                                JM
                                Some fanfic circles are still respectable. Several recently new authors, notably several new BAEN authors, started as Fanfic writers not all that long ago. Look at the 1632 circle, for example (on Baen's own forums).
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