Beyond Alpha Centauri:::::::Discussion Thread 7

[GeneralTacticus]

Interesting ideas. Perhaps we should make a timeline for this suggestion.

[Mellian]

As for the Scions, I don't mind if they remain in the story, even if they are plagiarized from somewhere (or that's the way it looked to me ).

A lot of stuff in BAC is plagiarized from somewhere.

-Mellian

[Frankychan]

Go Bree! You see Sprayber?

Originally posted by Sprayber

The Bree lost their masters but held on to a lot of their technology. They soon had to concentrate on the Gorn who had also recovered and were slowly attacking Bree territory.

More aggression by the Spartans and their "buddies"! It's a good thing Sheng-ji Yang is here to help out the ailing Bree or else the tyrannical rule of the Gorn would dominate the galaxy! (j/k). Glad to see that your presence has invigorated BAC, Thread-God.

Well, your idea sounds feasible and I support it. Sorry about not getting to creating the background for the Bree though...........(yeah,yeah,yeah, I'm lazy-everyone here knows it by now. )

I also like the idea for a timeline

[Mr. President]

That sounds absolutely fantastic to me.

[Frankychan]

what sounds fantastic? the fact that the Spartans are the true menace?

Oh, BTW, on the History Channel they were showing "The Rise and Fall of the Spartans". I found it really interesting seeing as how things in BAC slightly parallel the history of the Spartan city-state.

[GeneralTacticus]

In what way?

[Mr. President]

fantastic

I meant the alien idea.

I just don't have the patience to wade through 16-page long threads about whether the Commissioner shall be allowed to use a wheelmouse. - Mr. President

I thought that was dead and buried!

I was never a big fan of ancient Sparta. Athens was more my cup of tea, seeing as how Euripides and those sort of people were Athenian. Also, they had more of a lasting impact on Western history (in my opinion).

[GeneralTacticus]

I thought that was dead and buried!

I was going through my old posts in the AC Fiction forum (some of which are really rather embarassing), found that one, and though it was pretty funny.

[GeneralTacticus]

I was never a big fan of ancient Sparta. Athens was more my cup of tea, seeing as how Euripides and those sort of people were Athenian. Also, they had more of a lasting impact on Western history (in my opinion).

Yet another example of how culture beats military. Coracle will NOT be pleased.

[Sprayber]

When the Founding Fathers began putting together the US, they looked to Athens at what to avoid. Ancient Sparta failed because they tried too hard to maintain the status quo and were too cautuous about warfare.

I wouldnt want to have lived in Athens either becuase most likely none of us would meet the standard at what a citizen was. The only reason Athens is better known is because of their buildings and philisophers. All of which were made possible because they extorted tribute from other smaller Greek cities. The Spartans just suffered from a lack of imagination. If they hadnt gone off the deep end after conquering Athens, it would have been totally different. If you want to honor a city, make it Thebes. It was they who commanded the grand army that invaded Laconia and took Sparta. And dont forget, Sparta was looked upon as the Liberater of the Greeks from Athenian arrogence.

One more interesting note. It was the Spartans who advanced the notion of separation of powers withing a state. There wasn't a single ruler. There were two kings, an assembly of elders and the ephors that acted in the kings absence.

[Mr. President]

That is interesting. I'll admit, Athens did have some problems with chauvinism. There's a show about Sparta on this weekend; perhaps I should watch it. Looks like I still have something to learn.

I still like Athens, but then perhaps I'm just poisoned by the current democratic majority.

[Frankychan]

All this talk about history, but yet no sighting of History Guy as of yet.....

Sprayber-you're right. They had two kings for "checks and balances" and they did go loco after conquering Athens. But the Spartans were more oligarchy than anything else. Oligarchies suck.

[Frankychan]

Well, on to BAC stuff:

People, I'm a little worried that BAC is becoming a little "elitist". I haven't seen any new talent or inquiries as of yet. Are you guys worried or just "nah, we cool, we bad" kinda thinking?

Or am I just being paranoid?

[Mr. President]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus


Yet another example of how culture beats military. Coracle will NOT be pleased.

I just noticed this.

But the Spartans were more oligarchy than anything else.

I get the impression Sparta was very much devoted to war. I think that while war and being ready for it is important, it is not as important as cultural and economic development.

As for new talent; perhaps we should advertise. I mean really aggressively advertise.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by frankychan
All this talk about history, but yet no sighting of History Guy as of yet.....

Sprayber-you're right. They had two kings for "checks and balances" and they did go loco after conquering Athens. But the Spartans were more oligarchy than anything else. Oligarchies suck.

Well, I didnt say i particularly liked sparta either. I'm just saying that Athens wasnt as stable as it should have been.

The Spartans didnt necessarly live for war. You have to understand that the Spartans were a very conservative people. They only went to war when there was no way out or the chances for victory were damned good. They lived in constant fear of the Helots who out numbered them 10 to 1. After they took Athens things went wrong. Lysander forced an oligarchy on Athens that some in Sparta didnt like. Hell when the Athenians revolted later on they were partially supported by the Spartan King. Sparta started doing what it had never done before. it wanted an empire and they treated the other greeks like ****. As long as the Spartan armies came in and beat Athen's army in some greek city, they were liked. but when they went around forcing their brand of goverment on others their allies became their enemies. Namely Corinith and Thebes. Thebes destroyed Sparta because Sparta wouldnt leave well enough alone. Ironically the only reason Athens wasn't reduced to ruin was because they needed Athens against Thebes.