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  • #61
    OOC: LMP, economy doesn't have anything to do with drones. The Hive has the Ascetic virtues, so it shouldn't be too big a problem, but disloyal people are nerve stapled or killed. So I guess the Hive could export some such people, but only after they've been Nerve stapl. . . I mean, after they've suffered brain damage in work accidents.

    From: Sau-Ji Tseng, Hive representative
    To: Council

    I take issue with what Captain Svensgard has said. Mindworms can be and have been captured and manipulated by certain human factions to attack other humans. This is a dangerous reversal of the course of nature, and one whose consequences we do not fully understand. Psi warfare is far more terrifying and devestating than the use of Nerve Gas, and I stress, we do not know what will result from manipulating the natural defenses of planet against humans. Please, faction leaders and representatives, speak up! How will we end this hypocrisy?

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    • #62
      From: Ambassador Ian Davidson-Splertrovsky
      To: Planetary Council


      Methinks Tseng and Yang are frightened of what some of the more advanced factions have been able to accomplish through their research of the planet.

      I beg the council to respectfully ignore what Tseng has brought before it.
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      • #63
        OOC: Ahem....Roze hasn't accused anyone of slave trade yet...she has only been talking with Domai in Private. The nerve gas, we've brought up regarding Morgan. But no Drone shipments yet, sorry. You'll have to wait to get your knickers in a twist over that one. Might I recommend that we drop that thread for now?

        Private Message : Enhanced Encryption
        From: Datajack Roze
        To: Chiron Alliance

        Comissoner Lal is right, there is no need to fear the dissolution of our Alliance, although your concern is appreciated Captain. Lal and I may be shocked that we don't see eye to eye all the time anymore, but some how I think we'll work through it.
        I think I need a vacation. A cruise on luxury liner perhaps. You got any of those running Captain?

        Roze
        -Argo

        "Work like you don't need money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. Sing like nobody's listening."

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        • #64
          Private Message
          Encryption Level 5
          From:CEO Nwabudike Morgan
          To: Academician Prokhor Zakharov

          My dear Prokhor,

          Thank you very much for the generous invitation to witness your demonstration of anti-mindworm chemicals. As you know, we have had some problems with worms in the past, and are very interested in any insights on offer.

          Due to a serious accident near Morgan Entertainment that is currently occupying the central government's attention, I regret to inform you that I will not be able to attend in person. However, I have instructed the University Base embassy staff to send an observer, should you decide to hold the demonstration. I understand you have been having some diplomatic issues with the U.N. and the Alliance concerning gas, and I hope you can resolve them to your satisfaction. If there is any way in which I can help, feel free to let me know.

          In friendship,
          CEO Nwabudike Morgan
          ---
          General Message
          From: Council Liaison Fleischer
          To: The Planetary Council

          It is our position that research into psi warfare must continue, not least to ascertain if it has permanent effects on human brain activity.

          We propose that the use of psi warfare against non-combatants be banned. We understand the position of those such as Gaia's Stepdaughters and the Cult of Planet, whose defense forces are based on psi attacks, and we do not wish to hamstring their armed forces or render them vulnerable to aggression. However, we propose that using psychic attacks against civilian populations is little different from using bullets or lasers against civilian populations.
          Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost.

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          • #65
            From: Sau-ji Tseng
            To: Council

            Allow me to clarify. I am not opposed to research on psi warfare, nor is my faction. However, I believe there may some dangers involved in manipulating the organism's of Planet which have been known to attack humans, destroying bases. Their use is a a form of biological warfare, and thus should be banned by the UN charter of this mission. I am open-minded on this issue and remain so. What I will not stand for, however, is the hypocrisy in banning Nerve Gas while allowing mind worm biological warfare. I call on all factions to join me in protesting this hypocrisy and moving to lift the ban on nerve gas.

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            • #66
              OOC: I suggest we avoid the Drone trading for now, thats for later, after the Election :P and it is just simple discussions between Roze and Domai (who mentions Svensgaard knowing about it). thats all. As for the Morganites, i would think they would operate in a way where they make the basic assumption that the Angels knows everything...Probing and hacking and all :P
              Natan, yes, you made your point about the economy in hive...but Credits/Currency in chiron is Energy Base. So even a Police State faction with Ascetic Values needs Energy. So Energy is useful to speed things up, especially upgrades, SPs, etc.... If the morganites is interested in buying drones as workers with energy, then why not? Same with University, whom probebly don't buy as many drones as the morganites... It is Nerve Stapled, not Brain Stapled :P a difference.
              Darkcloud, thats not fascism, thats typical Bigotry. Anyway, NO FASCISM! No more of this extreme genocide stuff, etc.... thats in the past not and lets leave it like that :P Can say Chiron re-evolved a bit by 2200.

              To: Planetary Council
              From: Captain Svensgaard


              Yang, lets compare a Nerve Gas attack and a Mindworm attack upon a base. So lets take the spartan attack on U.N. Data Acquisition in the Second Spartan War, where they used nerve gas on the base. The Nerve Gas killed about ten thousand civilians along half the garrison, where they didn't have any proper means to defend against. Now, lets take an typical mindworm attack like the one at Morgan Mines in the 2150s or the one at Miner's Freehold in the 2170s. Those two were the biggest Mindworm attacks on Chiron so far, where only under a thousand civilians were killed in both incidents. So now, which is the most devastating? Being killed by Nerve Gas or Mindworms is both gruesome, but Nerve Gas causes the most death. Also, it is a lot more easier to defending a base against mindworms than defending it against Nerve Gas.

              Morgan, killing civilians, genocide, by any way is already banned in the U.N. Charter. So attacking civilians with mindworms is already illegal. But one thing we can do is to ban the use of mindworms by any factions against a base of anykind. As far as i know, no faction has ever used mindworms to attack a base, so rather it stays that way.

              University, how could a genetic engineered person be more human than a Drone? The only non-humans on Chiron is you people. So if you don't shut up about it, we'll consider you guys a threat to Chiron who is trying to take over the world. The council doesn't want to hear of your pathetic Elitist opinions.

              To All, can we get on with the election?

              Captain Svensgaard
              Last edited by Guest; August 16, 2001, 22:46.

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              • #67
                From: Sau-ji Tseng
                To: Council

                Allow me to clarify. I am not opposed to research on psi warfare, nor is my faction. However, I believe there may some dangers involved in manipulating the organism's of Planet which have been known to attack humans, destroying bases. Their use is a a form of biological warfare, and thus should be banned by the UN charter of this mission. I am open-minded on this issue and remain so. What I will not stand for, however, is the hypocrisy in banning Nerve Gas while allowing mind worm biological warfare. I call on all factions to join me in protesting this hypocrisy and moving to lift the ban on nerve gas.

                Biological warfare? Try Psionic Warfare, which isn't banned by the U.N. Charter. I already made my comparisons a moment ago, so go back and listen to it again. Destroying bases? Where and when did mindworms ever destroyed a base? If they did, it is due to lack of defence, which its a crime by itself if you think about it. I also doubt the mindworms were controlled by a faction too.

                I agree with University, lets ignore Hive's opinion of banning Psionic Warfare. If we use the Hive's reasoning of what is Biological Warfare, then we should be banning the use of humans to kill other humans.

                Captain Svensgaard

                OOC: In reality, and in SMAC, Nerve Gas kills more then mindworms :P There is a reason why Chemical Warfare is banned in this world. Biological Warfare is using man or natural made viruses, diseaces, etc and attack people with it.

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                • #68
                  General Message
                  From: Ambassador Rebecca Katt, Data Angels
                  To: Planetary Council

                  The Data Angels concur with Captain Svensgaard and Ambassador Ian Davidson-Splertrovsky. The banning of psi-warfare in no way compares to the use of nerve gas. While I do believe further study needs to be done into the long term effects of psi-attacks, I see no reason to ban it. As for civilian targets, this hardly needs to be touched. Attacking civilians with anything, even sticks and stones is out of the question.

                  We are concerned with Chairman Yang's fervour to allow the use of nerve gas. Exactly what do you need it for Chairman?

                  Private Message : Enhanced Encryption
                  From: Datajack Roze
                  To: Captain Svensgaard

                  I thank you Captain for stepping in at the right moment, and informing Comissoner Lal and I that we were being foolish. You were right and certainly diffused the situation with your...tactful...approach.

                  But you said one thing that concerned me. You announced that you would declare vendetta against Santiago if she succeeds in the election. This election is still entirely up in the air, and she does hold a very strong backing.

                  Therefore I plead that you reconsider this course of action. I do not trust Santiago, nor do I like the thought of her as Governor. But I do prefer her to Morgan. I've worked for that man and trust him about as far as I could throw him. He does what he must in the name of profit, and sees it as justified.

                  But, now I'm getting off track. If you declare vendetta against the Spartan Federation, it will shatter all that we've accomplished with the Planetary Council. How would everyone react if we attacked the Governor, just because we didn't want her to win. The very position would lose all sorts of credibility, wars would break out every time there was an election. We would be severely 'sore losers' to use the old Earth axiom.

                  We will be better off biding our time, preparing for the next election and fighting her diplomaticly in the Council. This is the democracy and charter we claim to defend, we can't turn our back on it when it doesn't go our way.

                  Please, will you reconsider?

                  Roze
                  -Argo

                  "Work like you don't need money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. Sing like nobody's listening."

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                  • #69
                    To: Datajack Roze
                    From: Captain Svensgaard

                    But you said one thing that concerned me. You announced that you would declare vendetta against Santiago if she succeeds in the election. This election is still entirely up in the air, and she does hold a very strong backing.
                    I know, so the Alliance better all vote one candidate to prevent it.

                    Therefore I plead that you reconsider this course of action. I do not trust Santiago, nor do I like the thought of her as Governor. But I do prefer her to Morgan. I've worked for that man and trust him about as far as I could throw him. He does what he must in the name of profit, and sees it as justified.
                    I distrust Santiego as much as you distrust Morgan.

                    But, now I'm getting off track. If you declare vendetta against the Spartan Federation, it will shatter all that we've accomplished with the Planetary Council. How would everyone react if we attacked the Governor, just because we didn't want her to win. The very position would lose all sorts of credibility, wars would break out every time there was an election. We would be severely 'sore losers' to use the old Earth axiom.
                    If she becomes Planetary Governor, war will come anyway aswell as disbandement of the U.N. Charter. She will give the Hive, University, Morgan and the Believers way to much leeway and freedom to do what they want in their factions. Then, they will have a war by the end of the decade. I will not allow that to happen.

                    We will be better off biding our time, preparing for the next election and fighting her diplomaticly in the Council. This is the democracy and charter we claim to defend, we can't turn our back on it when it doesn't go our way.
                    I am only following the U.N. Charter for the sake of my people. If Santiego wins, the charter won't stop her by allowing things like Nerve Gas. Then, my people will not be safe with factions like Hive using the stuff.
                    Please, will you reconsider?
                    I will, after You Win.

                    Captain Svensgaard

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                    • #70
                      From: Cult Ambassador Quzer
                      To: Planetary Council


                      This "rallying" of other factions against Psi warfare by the Hive is completely ridicilous, as is comparing nerve gas to psychic attacks.
                      The best quality of controlled psychic attack, meaning an attack made by an indigenous unit with a brood trainer, is that it doesn´t need always to be aimed to kill. Psychic attacks can scare an enemy away, trick him, or just paralyze.However, nerve gas does only one thing, it kills.
                      I can understand why the Hive is so afraid of psychic attacks. They´ve probably had their share of attacks by wild mindworm boils, spawning in the thousands because of the polluting and inefficient Hive industry. But they can only blame themselves for it.
                      There is big a difference between wild mindworms and captured or bred faction mindworms. Both are highly intelligent creatures in boils, but the faction mindworms are trained and controlled by trainers, instead wild mindworms are angry and afraid. That is why their attacks are so gruesome, they don´t know attacks other than throwing their fear and hatred towards the enemy. And why are they afraid?Because their homes and environment are being raped and destroyed by marauding aliens that have already destroyed their own homeworld, and now are doing the same thing to this planet.

                      I´d like to question the UN Charter in few matters.
                      First, why has not nobody even proposed to add into the charter atleast something about protecting the native chironian life?

                      So, the Cult would like to propose to this council an act that would enable parts of continents and oceans to be declared as protection zones for the native life.
                      If the council agrees on this proposal, we would be happy to give every faction the blueprints of Centauri Preserve. We would also be willing to hold an ecological conference on our territory, where everyone willing to participate is welcome.

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                      • #71
                        Spartan Information Service

                        To: Planetary Council
                        From: Spartan Representative Karl Solo

                        I have watched this so called Planetary Council bicker back and forth about which is worse dieing from nerve gas or dieing from those damned mindworms. I find the statements from the Pirate delegations offensive to say the least. They think that since only a few thousand people died from a mineworm attack compared to nerve gas somehow reassuring. I detect in their statements a note of arrogence. In fact all of their statements to this council has been from their ivory tower. The next war on Chrion will be started by their arrogence and unwillingness to compromise. Sparta will not fire the first shot. Because we will have you all know exactly what the Pirates are and what the want to be. I suggest that the members of the Chiron Alliance take a look at the Pirates and how they see the world. Take a look at the map and tell me who is positioned themselves as the self appointed police of this planet. They look after themselves only. This council means absolutly nothing as long as factions like the Pirates continue to parade around with their holy than thou attitude. Sparta is happy with the status quo. That is why Colonel Santiago is running for the postion. She is out to make sure that certain factions do not grow too arrogent.

                        On behalf of Colonel Satiago, I would like to thank the Hive faction and the Believer factions for their support. And I ask that those who are fond of the status quo to support her in her bid. The Colonel would have spoke herself but she has joined others in Sparta in the mourning of a great hero of the Spartan Federation. The Spartan Information Service will have more on this later in the week.
                        Last edited by Sprayber; August 17, 2001, 13:13.
                        Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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                        • #72
                          From: Sau-ji Tseng, Hive foriegn minister
                          To: Headquarters' of the Spartan, University, Morgan, and Lords Believers factions.

                          Greetings. I have come to discuss a most serious matter, the planetary elections. I fear that if we split our votes, another candidate my triumph. As you can imagine, that would be disastrous. Therefore, I suggest that we combine our votes behind one candidate in a friendly fashion. Here is the deal I propose:

                          One of our number will become planetary governor.
                          He will share his intelligence files garnered through the governorship with all other factions which are a party to this deal.
                          The planetary governor will throw his support behind the following proposals: A global trade pact, a resolution declaring that the sole power to enforce the UN charter lies with the planetary governor, and a resolution recognizing the principle of faction soveriegnty.
                          Is this proposal acceptable to all? Then all we need to do is decide who to put up.

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                          • #73
                            Private Message
                            From: Sister Miriam Godwinson
                            To: Colonel Santiago, Chairman Yang and CEO Morgan
                            Re: Planetary Elections

                            First, I approached you all in person since this is a matter of utmost importance.

                            I have already considered that we should place Colonel Santiago as our mutual candidate. Also, as you CEO should recall, I have approached you in this matter as well.
                            I and Santiago have so far proceeded in rallying support from various factions to her, though some factions might foolishly consider her past actions on Chiron a problem.
                            Also, I have discussed with Datajack Roze as she approaced me about this issue, and I have requested her privatly to disrupt the Chiron Alliance votes between her and Lal. If our little informal coalition will not have split votes, I see no reason why our candidate - Santiago - would not win. I hope that all of you addressed reply, to me and to other addressed factions.
                            Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test. Thank you for helping us help you help us all!

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                            • #74
                              OOC: Main point about University is that they are brilliant, but idiots in political dealings

                              From: Ambassador Ian Davidson-Splertrovsky
                              To: Planetary Council


                              Perhaps we were hasty in the classification of the Drones, but nevertheless the question remains... And how can YOU claim that Genetically-Engineered HUMAN-beings are not human. I laugh at that statement. :laugh:

                              I´d like to question the UN Charter in few matters.
                              First, why has not nobody even proposed to add into the charter atleast something about protecting the native chironian life?

                              So, the Cult would like to propose to this council an act that would enable parts of continents and oceans to be declared as protection zones for the native life.
                              If the council agrees on this proposal, we would be happy to give every faction the blueprints of Centauri Preserve. We would also be willing to hold an ecological conference on our territory, where everyone willing to participate is welcome.
                              Quezer, why protect the native life which fights us and attempts to destroy us? This sounds anti-evolutionary. Are you and your faction living in the stone age, worshiping the native flora and fauna. Embrace the future. Religion and its ilk are disgusting and merely imaginary subjects. The only truth is Humanity. And Humanity is only achieved by conquest and betterment.

                              The only way we would 'welcome' a Centaruri Preserve is if it is on Cult of Planet territory.

                              Zakharov has expressed interest in the Ecological conference, if only to note his displeasure, if the Cult representative will attend our Nerve Gas Summit.

                              A final note to all on the council: Zakharov does not personally take your refusal to see the demonstration as an insult; however he feels that you are going to drown in your ignorance as a result of not examining new tools in the war against the planet.

                              From: High Academican Prokhor Zakharov
                              TO: CEO Nwabudike Morgan
                              PRIVATE MESSAGE


                              Thank you for expressing interest. The University looks forward to receiving your representative.
                              -->Visit CGN!
                              -->"Production! More Production! Production creates Wealth! Production creates more Jobs!"-Wendell Willkie -1944

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                              • #75
                                Re: Spartan Information Service

                                To: Planetary Council
                                From: Captain Svensgaard


                                I have watched this so called Planetary Council bicker back and forth about which is worse dieing from nerve gas or dieing from those damned mindworms. I find the statements from the Pirate delegations offensive to say the least. They think that since only a few thousand people died from a mineworm attack compared to nerve gas somehow reassuring. I detect in their statements a note of arrogence. In fact all of their statements to this council has been from their ivory tower. The next war on Chrion will be started by their arrogence and unwillingness to compromise. Sparta will not fire the first shot. Because we will have you all know exactly what the Pirates are and what the want to be. I suggest that the members of the Chiron Alliance take a look at the Pirates and how they see the world. Take a look at the map and tell me who is positioned themselves as the self appointed police of this planet. They look after themselves only. This council means absolutly nothing as long as factions like the Pirates continue to parade around with their holy than thou attitude. Sparta is happy with the status quo. That is why Colonel Santiago is running for the postion. She is out to make sure that certain factions do not grow too arrogent.
                                Sorry to offend you Spartans, I was merely speaking down to Spartan and Hive level so you people can understand. Oh and don't forget that the Pirates also have jumbo missiles at all of its bases pointing at all of your capitals. So go ahead, piss us off, I dare ya Anyway, of course we care only about ourselves, like any other faction, else Santiego or Yang wouldn't fight so hard about this Sovereinty crap. So then now, if we care so much about ourselves, why would we want to self-appoint us the Police of Chiron, hmm? Why would we want a Governor that is a hypocrite and contradicts herself?


                                On behalf of Colonel Satiago, I would like to thank the Hive faction and the Believer factions for their support. And I ask that those who are fond of the status quo to support her in her bid. The Colonel would have spoke herself but she has joined others in Sparta in the mourning of a great hero of the Spartan Federation. The Spartan Information Service will have more on this later in the week.
                                I do hope its Marshal Kessel. If so, I send my condolences.

                                Captain Svensgaard

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