"The Cult of Worms and Fungus" turn tracking thread

[Flubber]

Originally posted by wdplays
Holy Cow, am I pissed!! After working my tail off and seriously denting my economy so that I could finish Retro Eng first and get to Biomachinery (The Cloning Vats) first, what does this POS game do??? It offers me Cent Gen and only Cent Gen as my next research topic. What a complete and utter shaft!! Is this some kind of bug or something? Is there a policy about what to do when a player gets hosed this way?

Turn sent to Flubber.

Nope-- Its part of the game-- The techs to be offered are predictable and there were players that even created a tool that could tell you your choices ahead of time. Sometime those choices are as narrow as one even though there could be six or a dozen techs that you are theoretically "able" to research.

If someone sends you another tech -- ANY tech-- it should change your available choices. Next turn you can switch at the cost of half your accumulated points

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ADvanced hint for next time-- If you have a partner/friend willing to help you , you can ensure that there is some crap tech of their that you do not have. Any time you are going to make a discovery have them offer it to you pre-accepted in the diplo box. Don't accept it when it first appears but wait instead until after your research completes-- IF your desired tech is offered, ignore your partner/friends tech trade. If it is not, go back to the diplo box and accept their offer. Then go to re-select your research- You should have different choices but taking anything different will cost you one half of your accumulated tech points IIRC.

THis works doubly good if the crap tech was your only possible research choice

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Since my tech mix is different than yours, I will have different choices but they may or may not include Biomachinery-- I believe I finish Retro Eng this turn too so I should be able to see what gives for me--

Oh and on the way to fusion I had a turn where I could not pick anything on the route-- IT happens and is part of the game

[Flubber]

er -- I was send the wormking's turn instead of my own and have requested a resend

[t_ras]

turned

[wdplays]

Originally posted by Flubber


Nope-- Its part of the game-- The techs to be offered are predictable and there were players that even created a tool that could tell you your choices ahead of time. Sometime those choices are as narrow as one even though there could be six or a dozen techs that you are theoretically "able" to research.

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ADvanced hint for next time-- If you have a partner/friend willing to help you , you can ensure that there is some crap tech of their that you do not have. Any time you are going to make a discovery have them offer it to you pre-accepted in the diplo box. Don't accept it when it first appears but wait instead until after your research completes-- IF your desired tech is offered, ignore your partner/friends tech trade. If it is not, go back to the diplo box and accept their offer. Then go to re-select your research- You should have different choices but taking anything different will cost you one half of your accumulated tech points IIRC.

THis works doubly good if the crap tech was your only possible research choice

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Ahhh, thanks very much. That's good to know for the future. This game has certainly been an education. Do you happen to know where I can find one of the research choice tools you mentioned?

By the way, with Flubber having decimated t_ras and the way the research choices worked out this game is effectively over. I'm happy to keep playing as I'm learning alot, but I see no way to surpass Flubber with his picking up the Cloning Vats next turn. Do we continue?

[Kataphraktoi]

You must journey to the source young padawan and discover the secrets of tech researching


More for stealing the Cloning Vats

[Flubber]

Originally posted by wdplays



By the way, with Flubber having decimated t_ras and the way the research choices worked out this game is effectively over. I'm happy to keep playing as I'm learning alot, but I see no way to surpass Flubber with his picking up the Cloning Vats next turn. Do we continue?

I always play until peole do not want to-- some games have been played until the bitter end-- others have been surrendered ridiculously early from my POV-- but I tend to take the most pessimistic view of my own position when I am a leader and everyone is against me. here with two human controlled empires out there untouched, I don't consider my position as unassailable

To me the etiquette is that people play as best they can until everyone is ok with surrendering. But then again I rarely surrender-- only once that I can recall -- other times I lost was more scorched earth. I never mind playing for as long as people feel there is anything interesting left to play



and wdplays-- I was looking at the research last turn and it appeared to me that even if you were given the appropriate tech choice, I would still beat you to the necessary tech -- by a single turn IIRC but that would be enough. Or did you have a way to speed your research ?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kataphraktoi



More for stealing the Cloning Vats

We are the true followers of Planet and must CRUSH those that follow false prophets

[wdplays]

Originally posted by Flubber

To me the etiquette is that people play as best they can until everyone is ok with surrendering. But then again I rarely surrender-- only once that I can recall -- other times I lost was more scorched earth. I never mind playing for as long as people feel there is anything interesting left to play

Oh I totally agree, and like I said, I'd rather keep playing. I can use the experience. On the other hand, I've been in two other games that collapsed at about this point so I don't want to get real invested if anyone's thinking about bailing. This just seemed like a good time to check that everyone's still interested.

Originally posted by Flubber

and wdplays-- I was looking at the research last turn and it appeared to me that even if you were given the appropriate tech choice, I would still beat you to the necessary tech -- by a single turn IIRC but that would be enough. Or did you have a way to speed your research ?

It's really hard for me to say how the tech race would have turned out. The solar flares really screwed things up. I see now why you told me awhile back that most PBEM's have the random events turned off. I'm not 100% sure, but it looks to me like you got a huge pile of free research that I can only attribute to a hickup with the solar flare.

In 2219, the turn after the solar flare, when I opened the turn, the research screen (F2) showed me with 1621 Research Points (RPs) accumulated and 1776 RPs to be produced that turn with a Tech Cost of 3800. Throughout my turn, F2 showed my research produced as 1776 until the very end when I reassigned some citizens to jobs that increased the research in their cities. At that point, the value changed to 733. Now based on my records from previous turns, this would be consistent with the solar flare being over. I find it very troubling though that this didn't change until I reassigned some citizens.

At the opening of 2220, my accumulated tech is 2354 RPs and 732 produced that turn. This would be consistent with the values at the very end of my turn. If I had left my citizens alone and just closed the turn, would I have gotten the 1176 RPs being show in F2? Based on your data, I really wonder.

Your situation is a complete mystery to me. For turn 2219, F2 shows you with 2514 RPs accumulated, 1317 RPs produced that turn, and a Tech Cost of 3960. It also expects you to need two more turns to complete that tech, Retro Eng. Ok based on past data that's pretty consistent, but the whole thing just unravels in 2220. For turn 2220, F2 shows you with 4050 RPs accumulated, 1635 RPS produced that turn, and a Tech Cost of 4050. This situation makes no sense to me.

The fact that your Tech Cost increased from 3960 to 4050, while your SE settings remained the same, indicates that you completed a research project, Retro Eng I assume, and started a new one. If that's the case, why is your accumulated tech so high? Based on your Econ/Lab setting, 20/80, I would expect accumulated tech to only have 100 - 200 RPs sitting in it.

I just don't understand what happened there so I really can't tell you if the tech choice have made a difference or not. I can only speculate that maybe the game gave you two turns of solar boost like it appeared ready to do for me. On the other hand, you've schooled me with a couple of crafty veteran moves before maybe this is one of them, and the tech choice made no difference.

[Flubber]

I sent the turn to tras 2220-- about 12 hours ago

no tricks that I am aware of this time--I will have to look back at the turn though to see fow my data compares with yours-- I do recall being at 100% Labs for a little while and I do tend to adjust my sliders almost every turn-- I also do a lot of switching between my specialists which can vary production by hundreds from labs to or from cash

The only game mechanic is I seem to recall a thread ages ago that talked about how some game readings may not accurately reflect research points when running a positive research rating-- Next turn I will try switching in and out of knowledge to see if F2 points change-- If as I suspect they do not, that would mean my points would have to get the 20% benefit of the +2 research some other way

[Flubber]

I read again what you are saying and what you describe does seem odd-- I will take a look when i get a chance

[t_ras]

I think I'm still able to be a pain in the azz for some time, so as long as all the others go on I will too.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by t_ras
I think I'm still able to be a pain in the azz for some time, so as long as all the others go on I will too.

Thats the spirit. I do keep finding worms of yours in all sorts of places-- and even a single worm can quickly become a swarm of them as the cult

Your last bases are a bit of a pain to get to

[t_ras]

Turned

[H0bbes]

On to Will again.

[t_ras]

and on I said!