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  • #166
    Originally posted by binTravkin
    Actually HGP is worth exactly as an early game SP as it effects wear off as you build more bases.

    It gives you exactly the early boost you need IMO.

    And if you manage to get it as PKs, you're gold - just get PlaNets + Eth Calc ASAP and go GAboom.
    (it is also recommended to build VW, Holos are just too expensive).
    Buh? Effects wear off? Are you referring to the fact that more drones appear after the efficiency limit? Or something else?

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    • #167
      Originally posted by Commy
      I think rather people don't want "useless" specialists simply to deal with drones when they could be producing colony pods...its not that the excess population, even if non-productive, hurts the base, but if you could be expanding instead, then it hurts your empire over all...
      I don't think that weare disagreeing. Nobody WANTS a useless specialist but your choices are simple

      1. Build a CP and reduce your population

      2. Implement alternative drone control so the citizen can work

      3. Boom up to size 5 so all specialist can be useful


      I use all 3 methods so I see the useless specialist as a temporary thing. I know that the unproductive citizen will soon be productive
      You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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      • #168
        Buh? Effects wear off? Are you referring to the fact that more drones appear after the efficiency limit? Or something else?
        Bureaucracy drones (B-Drones) cancel effects of most Talent bonuses and some worker bonuses (for example Drone faction -1 drone bonus) as well as Psych bonuses.
        It takes 4 psych to quell one B-Drone IIRC while HGP only gives you +2 per each base.
        -- What history has taught us is that people do not learn from history.
        -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

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        • #169
          Originally posted by binTravkin


          Bureaucracy drones (B-Drones) cancel effects of most Talent bonuses and some worker bonuses (for example Drone faction -1 drone bonus) as well as Psych bonuses.
          It takes 4 psych to quell one B-Drone IIRC while HGP only gives you +2 per each base.
          Ahh. I thought you were referring to that, but I wasn't certain so I wanted to make sure.

          The problem I see, then, is future investment. Compared to an early game drone controlling SP such as VW, it gives diminishing returns (eventually, as both a Talent generator and a drone controller) rather than future growth.

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          • #170
            Heh, the boost which it will give to you is uncomparable to it's cost.

            It is course less cost effective as PTS, EG and PEG (and VW for Uni), but still worth it at least to jump up for those which I mentioned.

            I often have to grab HGP even as Uni just to have an edge over my opponents at VW and PTS.
            -- What history has taught us is that people do not learn from history.
            -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

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            • #171
              Sometimes it's worthwhile to build a secret project just so that no one else can build it.

              Like I like to play University. If you can keep me from getting Virtual World and later, Hunter-Seeker, I'd be seriously bummed out.

              So I try to build a lot of secret projects whether or not they are beneficial to me, simply to keep them out of the hands of everyone else.
              Last edited by Tommar; July 20, 2005, 06:21.

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              • #172
                Originally posted by binTravkin


                Bureaucracy drones (B-Drones) cancel effects of most Talent bonuses and some worker bonuses (for example Drone faction -1 drone bonus) as well as Psych bonuses.
                It takes 4 psych to quell one B-Drone IIRC while HGP only gives you +2 per each base.
                The advantage for the HGP is that it allows gives you those psych in excess of the psych limit. This may be the only way you can GA pop boom rapidly and smoothly, which makes it very valuable for those factions that can only pop boom via GA in the early game.
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                But he touched it too much!
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                • #173
                  Free Market just wastes time and units and should be avoided to me
                  I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

                  Asher on molly bloom

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                  • #174
                    Originally posted by Datajack Franit
                    Free Market just wastes time and units and should be avoided to me
                    You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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                    • #175
                      a troll that bad you might aswell have just posted "smax sucks, uninstall it"
                      Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outward, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendant, and to embrace them is to acheive enlightenment.

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                      • #176
                        SMAC/X has an uninstaller?
                        ...
                        What for?
                        "Cutlery confused Stalin"
                        -BBC news

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                        • #177
                          it doesn't function (so i've been told), just there so the program aint classed as malicious
                          Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outward, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendant, and to embrace them is to acheive enlightenment.

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                          • #178
                            Originally posted by Chaos Theory
                            SMAC/X has an uninstaller?
                            ...
                            What for?
                            The only reason I can think of is if the file gets corrupted somehow and you want to uninstall prior to reinstalling-- Anything else is unthinkable
                            You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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                            • #179
                              LOL so easy
                              I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

                              Asher on molly bloom

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                              • #180
                                I have installed SMAC and SMAX many different times...

                                I have noticed something very interesting...when I play on the Map of Planet, sometimes I'll get the same 3 or 4 spots everytime...out 0f 100 starting spots, all but maybe 10 are one of these 3 or 4 spots...

                                I reinstall the game, and the main spots on the map are sometimes different...spots I've never seen before suddenly appear every 7th or 8th time...very strange...

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