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  • Is Apolyton still the biggest Civ site?

    If not, what is needed to get more traffic? PC in the OT?

  • #2
    More bannings. It worked for the SA goons.
    I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).

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    • #3
      Sturmabteilung?
      I love being beaten by women - Lorizael

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      • #4
        Remember:

        Quality not quantity.

        Who cares if 'Poly is the biggest - its the best!
        I don't know why he saved my life. Maybe in those last moments he loved life more than he ever had before. Not just his life - anybody's life, my life. All he'd wanted were the same answers the rest of us want. Where did I come from? Where am I going? How long have I got? All I could do was sit there and watch him die.

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        • #5
          CivFanatics has its advantages, hence the higher count of posters and posts.

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          • #6
            I have the feeling that the civfanatics administration is more interested in civ4 then the poly administration. I only know that MarkG is interested in Civ4, but I think he's hardly as much interested as he used to be in civ2.
            I think that's why in the end Apolyton is losing it's importance in civ-land

            The civ4 forums are poorly moderated, at least the non-common forums (all but the civ4 vanilla and the warlords forum). News is late, and the news is not unique.
            There's no ladder community, not really a mod community.

            If the mods that are available on this site would be presented in a better way with a better (user friendlier) user interface and rating technique things might improve.

            I think Apolyton focusses on too much games to be counted as a civilization-specialist site. It's common with game-site, they try to get bigger by attracting new audiences. I'd say: drop the CTP series, the AC series, the RON series and just leave the sid-civ forums open. (AC might be questionable).

            Maybe there are too many site-veterans who aren't in civ4 as well. Maybe poly should get rid of them as well.
            Formerly known as "CyberShy"
            Carpe Diem tamen Memento Mori

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            • #7
              nm

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              • #8
                Current Alexa Ratings
                (The lower the ranking, the better)

                Site Stats for apolyton.net:
                Traffic Rank for apolyton.net: 49,042
                Roughly 2 million page views per day
                Other sites that link to this site: 502
                Online Since: 06-Apr-1999

                Site Stats for civfanatics.com:
                Traffic Rank for civfanatics.com: 16,915
                Roughly 6.5 million page views per day
                Other sites that link to this site: 457
                Online Since: 10-Sep-2000


                While both sites would be considered pretty high ranked in the online universe, CF is ranked far better based on site traffic. However, both sites have shown dramitic declines lately as Civ IV losses it's "newness"

                Traffic peaked in Novemer/December and May for both sites, with big losses since May.
                Keep on Civin'
                RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                • #9
                  Yeah, 'cuz Alexa is the epitome of reliable site ranking...

                  Let's pretend everyone on this site (a) uses IE and (b) is actually stupid enough to install Alexa spyware. All that proves is that there are more morons who don't know how to use a computer on CFC than there are on Apolyton...
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Locutus
                    Yeah, 'cuz Alexa is the epitome of reliable site ranking...
                    Do you have anything better? ... I didn't think so.
                    Civilization II: maps, guides, links, scenarios, patches and utilities (+ Civ2Tech and CivEngineer)

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                    • #11
                      Well, a random number generator should get you just about as reliable a result...
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Locutus
                        Well, a random number generator should get you just about as reliable a result...



                        While there are problems with their ratings... they are as good as any other method. And when it comes to site traffic, their information is consistent with other highly costly sources which we use in our media buying.

                        While the actual information may be considered faulty, it does show an accurate picture of the relative difference in site traffic. In a nut shell, CF dramitically out pulls Apolyton.

                        However, as another poster pointed it out... it's quality, not quantity that counts
                        Keep on Civin'
                        RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ming
                          While there are problems with their ratings... they are as good as any other method.
                          That might true for sites mostly visited frequently by clueless morons, like Google and MySpace, but for sites with large numbers of intelligent (or Mac ) users it goes completely out of whack. And a VERY significant portion of Apolyton users falls in that category.

                          And when it comes to site traffic, their information is consistent with other highly costly sources which we use in our media buying.
                          1) Sorry to say but advertising/marketing people are not exactly renown for their thorough understanding of technology. There's a reason we techies hate you

                          2) Again, it might work for major site visited in large numbers by teenagers, AOL users and other computer illiterates, like YouTube, Google and MySpace (which are the type of sites most major ad firms will aim for), but for more specialised purposes it just becomes a glorified random number generator.

                          You want reliable data, you gotta take the server logs. Of course, that info is waaay too valuable for any smart webmaster to share freely (but I can tell you Apolyton's Alexa page view stat is so far off the mark it's quite hilarious).

                          While the actual information may be considered faulty, it does show an accurate picture of the relative difference in site traffic.
                          Only if the sites serve the same audience, which Apolyton and CFC don't. CFC is more dominated by Americans and is frequented by a younger audience. Both are categories more likely to be Alexa-infected.


                          But I'll agree that quality matters over quantity, I don't care if I'm the only guy here, I'll keep coming as long as Markos and Dan keep offering the content they've been offering for the past 8+ years (though of course the community is a big part of that so I dunno if they can keep doing that if I'm the only visitor )
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                          • #14
                            Apolyton is still the best Civ site.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Locutus
                              2) Again, it might work for major site visited in large numbers by teenagers, AOL users and other computer illiterates, like YouTube, Google and MySpace (which are the type of sites most major ad firms will aim for), but for more specialised purposes it just becomes a glorified random number generator.
                              Interestingly enough, our agency doesn't care about the large sites, and we target the highly specialized sites. I'm actually one of the leading experts on the topic. And I did state that Alexa ratings has it's problems. But as a tool for determining relative value vs exact value, it's not all that bad. Your description of it as a glorified random number generator shows your lack of knowledge of this arena.

                              I have used our own propietary tools to take a look at site traffic for both CF and Apolyton... and while the numbers are far different than Alexa, it does show the same relative difference between the two sites. It is a FACT that CF enjoys multiple times the traffic that Apolyton does. As much as we all love and support Apolyton, it is NOT the traffic leader in the Civ community. It lost that a long time ago. I personally don't see anything wrong with that, because I happen to like this site better, and that all that counts for me.
                              Keep on Civin'
                              RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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