The Peyton Manning debate

[-Jrabbit]

Mentoring? Please. I seriously doubt Peyton Manning has any intentions other than to play every down.

I'm mystified by the suggestion that Manning was "mentoring" the likes of Painter and Sorgi. It's pretty inane to judge him on the supposed results of "tutelage" that he was almost certainly not doing. Regardless, I sincerely doubt this has any bearing on the signing.

At the dollars he commands, Peyton Manning will be signed to do one thing only: play.

[Al B. Sure!]

You mean other than never really doing anything? Of course, he met expectations. There really weren't any.

A drafted player out of Division I Wisconsin, Sorgi's stock was about comparable as Curtis Painter's. Both had low expectations, much lower than Tebow's or Jake Locker's, but let's not imagine that being on the bench behind Peyton Manning means you learn and improve or that Peyton is a good teacher/mentor. There's been no evidence for it so far, since neither Painter nor Sorgi have shown anything.

But Sorgi hasn't even played to show if he's good or bad, you ask? Well, as a FA, Sorgi would've had the opportunity to compete for a starting job somewhere if he were that good because scouts and teams would have seen it. Matt Schaub played as sparingly as Sorgi did but he was seen as being starting caliber. Charlie Whitehurst never even set foot on the field yet the Seahawks were (wrongly) confident enough to trade to get him and pay him. If Sorgi had shown he was even starting caliber, he would have signed on to compete for a starting job somewhere. Instead, only the Manning connection could save him and he signed briefly with the Giants as a backup.

Whoever is behind Peyton Manning wherever he goes may learn, improve, and/or Peyton may be a great mentor (his mentoring could be independent of the ability of his mentee; a teacher's effectiveness can be limited by the student's capacity; maybe Sorgi and Painter just suck?)... but there's been no evidence thus far that playing behind Peyton does a QB any good.


Summary:
Just because a guy is elite doesn't mean he is an effective teacher. Peyton may be or he may not be. You can't assume he is because the evidence isn't there, yet. No one has come out of Peyton's tutelage and excelled.

I am not saying he's a bad teacher. I'm just saying he's not yet proven to be a good teacher.

Therefore, I provided a counter-point to your statement that Locker/Tebow/Smith could benefit greatly from Peyton. If that makes me a jackass, I don't know what to say to you.

[SlowwHand]

You mean other than never really doing anything? Of course, he met expectations. There really weren't any.

[Al B. Sure!]

Curtis Painter didn't really have the same scenario, and to cite Jim Sorgi illustrates Ming's point in his recent argument with you.

What point? He called me a jackass. What is being a jackass about citing Jim Sorgi?

[SlowwHand]

Curtis Painter didn't really have the same scenario, and to cite Jim Sorgi illustrates Ming's point in his recent argument with you.

[Al B. Sure!]

Too bad being young and playing under Peyton Manning didn't do Jim Sorgi and Curtis Painter much good.

[SlowwHand]

One thing in common among the finalists, all 3 have young QB's that could benefit greatly from Manning being there. It's not just Tebow.
Alex Smith is still young. Jake Locker could surely use him being around. Matt Hasselbeck is OK, but he's no Peyton Manning.

[-Jrabbit]

$90MM/5 yrs is the same deal he had in Indy. That's said to be the baseline buy-in to be in the conversation.
Manning is said to be willing to offer the teams protection in case his neck issues resurface.

[PLATO]

Broncos reportedly offered $90million 5 year deal.Article is from the Denverpost.com.

Looks like they have Manning Fever too:

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[SlowwHand]

Arizona is out.

Cardinals out of Manning chase

Coach Ken Whisenhunt says Peyton Manning "no longer an option" for Cardinals. Team to pay QB Kolb $7 million bonus.

7 million will soothe hurt feelings.

[PLATO]

It's like a homecoming for one

You have no idea. There has been little else discussed anywhere in the state since this became a real possibility. I would love to see Peyton back in Tennessee myself, but it is like the second coming going on around here.

[PLATO]

I think with Peyton under center for the 49ers that I might have to go to Vegas and put a little down on their Super Bowl chances.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Most even semi-contenders have QBs that earned their place.

But San Fran likely saw losing in overtime in the NFC Championship Game and their starting QB went 12/26 for 196 yards and imagined what if Peyton Manning was under center instead.

[Al B. Sure!]

Sucks for Alex Smith. Like Tebow, he earned his place (hell, to be honest, Hasselbeck balled out and earned starting consideration for next year), but that won't matter now.

[-Jrabbit]

It appears that Denver can only offer $60MM/5years with their cap issues. That's probably a problem.

Adam Shefter reports that the Cardinals have been advised to proceed as if they will not get Manning.

SF would be pretty scary with a real QB.