Apolyton Fantasy Football

[Ben Kenobi]

Carson Palmer was a first overall pick as well. Why would Eli have cost more than Palmer to draft in 2004?

Because he was drafted by a larger market.

[MRT144]

Al, stop talking to Ben. Ben stop talking to Al. You two are ****ing Oscar and Felix and nobody wants to hear it.

[Al B. Sure!]

Because he was drafted by a larger market.

What the ****?!

[Ben Kenobi]

Larger market, more demand. more demand, higher price. Simple as this.

Why do you think I stay away from Bears polayers here?

[Al B. Sure!]

Larger market, more demand. more demand, higher price. Simple as this.

Why do you think I stay away from Bears polayers here?

Are you playing fantasy football with all New Yorkers or something? What the ****, Ben? Your brain is broken.

[Ben Kenobi]

Are you playing fantasy football with all New Yorkers or something? What the ****, Ben? Your brain is broken.

Starting TE for the Bengals. Have at it.

[Al B. Sure!]

Starting TE for the Bengals. Have at it.

Huh? Jermaine Gresham? Reggie Kelly before him? What are you trying to get at?


Last year's starting WR duo for the Bengals. Have at it.

(WAAAAAAAAAY more famous than Hakeem Nicks and Steve Smith)

[Ben Kenobi]

Gresham went undrafted.

(WAAAAAAAAAY more famous than Hakeem Nicks and Steve Smith)

Nicks was actually good valiue last year. An indication of the overall weakness of the Giants fans at accrate drafting.

[Al B. Sure!]

Gresham went undrafted.

What the ****?

Jermaine Gresham was the 21st overall pick of the 2010 draft?! What the ****?!

Nicks was actually good valiue last year. An indication of the overall weakness of the Giants fans at accrate drafting.

What the **** are you talking about? You ****** between Nicks, Smith, and Mario Manningham, it was impossible to tell which of the three, if any, would emerge as a star WR. Smith had came off a 100+ catch season so he was the front-runner. Nicks was the youngest and most inexperienced of the bunch. I avoided the group in my fantasy drafts because of the obvious uncertainty.


The point was that Carson Palmer and Eli Manning have had the same output over the past 7 years. You somehow claim that Eli Manning would have been more expensive to draft in a keeper league in 2004. Your assertion is that his value was inflated because he plays for a bigger market with a bigger fanbase but that's not relevant unless you're drafting in a league with a bunch of New Yorkers and/or Giants fans. If you're in a league filled with Bengals fans, Palmer would have been more expensive. But the point is, that unless there is strong representation from either fanbase, there's no reason to expect either QB to be more expensive before they set foot on an NFL field than each other, let alone your assertion that Eli would have been significantly more expensive than Palmer.

Eli Manning would NOT have been more expensive than Carson Palmer in a typical keeper league draft in 2004.

[Ben Kenobi]

Jermaine Gresham was the 21st overall pick of the 2010 draft?! What the ****?!

He's repalcement level for TEs at least on Poly, which I think demonstrates bias.

What the **** are you talking about? You ****** between Nicks, Smith, and Mario Manningham, it was impossible to tell which of the three, if any, would emerge as a star

It would be like someone picking a Charger player that did better then my choice of Charger for less of a pick. A couple people tried this year, JRabbit, etc. Indicative that more people are puttting more of a value on Chargers players. Giant fans picking the wrong Giant tells me that there's possibilities to actually pick a Giant and get value.

The point was that Carson Palmer and Eli Manning have had the same output over the past 7 years. You somehow claim that Eli Manning would have been more expensive to draft in a keeper league in 2004.

Yes, there was more hype around him. He was expected to do better.

Your assertion is that his value was inflated because he plays for a bigger market with a bigger fanbase but that's not relevant unless you're drafting in a league with a bunch of New Yorkers and/or Giants fans.

It's relevant for pretty much any league because people in gneral pick the players that they are more familiar. If more people watch Giants games than say JVille, then it becomes a bias that you need to take into account.

If you're in a league filled with Bengals fans, Palmer would have been more expensive. But the point is, that unless there is strong representation from either fanbase, there's no reason to expect either QB to be more expensive before they set foot on an NFL field than each other, let alone your assertion that Eli would have been significantly more expensive than Palmer.

There was also no reason for Tomlinson to wait until the 8th round last year, but that's where he went. Shonn Greene went in the 2nd round based on nothing but pre-season speculation. Less information means more bias.

[MRT144]

TAKE IT TO PMs! FOR ****S SAKE!

[flash9286]

I support all of the changes. I know that sometimes RB are given the ball to run to the clock at the end of the game, but if you look at if they get one yard on the run than the attempt penalty is wiped out. And the benefits of rewarding efficiency outweigh any negative effects.

[-Jrabbit]

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[Jaguar]

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Defensive Changes:
Very conservative overall, because Yahoo! didn't actually track the stats last year, so I don't have a good idea of how the new stat categories will affect us.

You now get points for yardage allowed. An average team, allowing 336 yards, will get 0 points for that. -2 if they're over 400, -4 if they're over 500. +2 if they're under 300, +4 if they're under 200, +7 if they're under 100, and +10 if they allow negative yardage. Realistically, most fantasy defenses will probably average +2 points per fantasy game from this. (Most defenses people actually use in fantasy tend to allow closer to 270 yards per game.)

Scoring for each turnover forced has increased to +2.5, to match the higher penalties on offense. Lastly, +0.5 for a 3-and-out or a tackle for a loss, and +1 for a 4th down stop.

Last year the difference between a top defense (PIT or GB) and a bad starting team defense (KC) was about 71 points. I'd expect that to increase, but probably not much over 100.

[Al B. Sure!]

He's repalcement level for TEs at least on Poly, which I think demonstrates bias.



It would be like someone picking a Charger player that did better then my choice of Charger for less of a pick. A couple people tried this year, JRabbit, etc. Indicative that more people are puttting more of a value on Chargers players. Giant fans picking the wrong Giant tells me that there's possibilities to actually pick a Giant and get value.



Yes, there was more hype around him. He was expected to do better.



It's relevant for pretty much any league because people in gneral pick the players that they are more familiar. If more people watch Giants games than say JVille, then it becomes a bias that you need to take into account.



There was also no reason for Tomlinson to wait until the 8th round last year, but that's where he went. Shonn Greene went in the 2nd round based on nothing but pre-season speculation. Less information means more bias.

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