World Football Thread XVII : Champions League Final and beyond..

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'm not denying the former management of the team did wrong - they were basically crooks anyway and everyone who supports the club is well glad we're finally shot of them!

Nice to know a team can get away with whatever if they go to new ownership.

Where have you been this past season - are you really that ignorant that haven't seen what happened to our results when they first arrived?

So it was the addition of two world class players that made your results suck? What is Tevez doing now? What is Mascherano doing now for Liverpool? Sorry, doesn't fly.

[Colon™]

They didn't get away, they have to dock £5.5 million, remember? The seriousness of the offence doesn't justify de facto relegation though.

[Joe Kick Ass]

No, West Ham being sh*te makes it de facto relegation.

FIFA are involved now anyway.


£5.5 million is just a ridiculous bribe...that can't stand.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Nice to know a team can get away with whatever if they go to new ownership.

Again with the disingenuousness. That is not what I said and you know it - you have the makings of a fine lawyer!

So it was the addition of two world class players that made your results suck? What is Tevez doing now? What is Mascherano doing now for Liverpool? Sorry, doesn't fly.

Are these weak comments the best you can do given the replies I have given you - is this really all you can find fault with in my posts?

You really don't have a clue, do you? Start by understand why the season went to **** for us and then even you might begin to understand why... For 3/4 of the time Tevez has been in our team, he basically did **** all for us - as I repeat for the umpteenth time Imran, it is only in the last couple of months he has come good for us. Mascherano only started 3 times for us all season. It can be argued that Pardew didn't know what the **** to do with them - but then he did get fired. It really is like explaining the most simple things to a child...

[MOBIUS]

Hey Imran, aren't you the idiot who thought Graeme Souness was a good manager!?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Again with the disingenuousness. That is not what I said and you know it

That's exactly what you said. Why bold "former"?

It can be argued that Pardew didn't know what the **** to do with them

But instead you choose to blame the world class players . Maschereno is sure showing he doesn't belong over in Liverpool, isn't he?

[Joe Kick Ass]

Eh...you play inelligible players, you get docked points (or fixtures invalidated, whatever).

This is nothing new.

Unless you're West Ham, and you can afford to stump up £5.5m and bypass the standard penalties - something smaller clubs can't afford to do.

Literally buying success (a place in the PL)

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Again with the disingenuousness. That is not what I said and you know it

That's exactly what you said. Why bold "former"?

I did not say "Nice to know a team can get away with whatever if they go to new ownership"

But keep with your little smokescreen, because so far you haven't brought anything to the table apart from childish kneejerk whining about cheating and the like...

It can be argued that Pardew didn't know what the **** to do with them

But instead you choose to blame the world class players . Maschereno is sure showing he doesn't belong over in Liverpool, isn't he?

No I did not blame them but feel free to put words into my mouth because you know you're losing the argument...

Their arrival merely exposed a bunch of crap that was already rotten at the club - namely a bunch of individuals with over-inflated egos from the manager down to the players. But then, if you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that already... I mean, you can't even spell the names of the players you're talking about - that's how poor your grasp of this whole situation is...

[Imran Siddiqui]

I did not say "Nice to know a team can get away with whatever if they go to new ownership"

I know you did not say the truth so far.

No I did not blame them

Yes you did.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Joe Kick Ass
Eh...you play inelligible players, you get docked points (or fixtures invalidated, whatever).

This is nothing new.

Unless you're West Ham, and you can afford to stump up £5.5m and bypass the standard penalties - something smaller clubs can't afford to do.

Literally buying success (a place in the PL)

Except the players weren't inelligible.

See, this is the root cause of the problem here - people who don't know what the **** they're talking about...

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

I did not say "Nice to know a team can get away with whatever if they go to new ownership"

I know you did not say the truth so far.

???

No I did not blame them

Yes you did.

Only to someone with a simplistic grasp of the situation would leap to that conclusion...

Their introduction was the catalyst that precipitated the spiral into the relegation zone because of a whole host of factors that apparently you don't have the first clue about - they themselves are not to blame.

Is this an act or are you really this thick?

Look, Sava pwned you on your own sport - give it a rest will you...

[Imran Siddiqui]

[q=Mobius]Their introduction was the catalyst that precipitated the spiral into the relegation zone [/q]

[q=Mobius]No I did not blame them[/q]

Looks like blaming them to me (even as you say at the end that they aren't to blame, after blaming them) and the rest of the English speaking world. Usually saying someone was the catalyst for failure is blaming them for it. So you didn't blame them, but they were the catalysts... try again. Keep spinning your wheels though.

[Joe Kick Ass]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
Except the players weren't inelligible.

The arrangement was illegal mate.

That setup simply isn't allowed...that's why you had to (apparently) "rip up" the agreement. True story.

Anyway, it's not like anybody actually believes West Ham now own the player.

Playing players you don't own, and don't have the right to play.

FIFA'll send you down anyway.

[Joe Kick Ass]

Honestly, this "fine" is farcical. Paying £5m to stay in the PL when that in and of itself earns £40m or whatever, is a joke. Especially as those kind of fines simply can't be implemented across the leagues. So it's just gonna be points deductions for smaller teams, or a payoff for bigger teams. Stinks.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
[q=Mobius]Their introduction was the catalyst that precipitated the spiral into the relegation zone [/q]

[q=Mobius]No I did not blame them[/q]

Looks like blaming them to me (even as you say at the end that they aren't to blame, after blaming them) and the rest of the English speaking world. Usually saying someone was the catalyst for failure is blaming them for it. So you didn't blame them, but they were the catalysts... try again. Keep spinning your wheels though.

That's why I specifically used the word 'catalyst', because their abilities as world class players have not deminished therefore I don't blame them.

Now, follow me closely, if they had arrived and been totally **** - then I would be blaming them...

This simple concept is not rocket science, Imran - however you appear entirely incapable of getting your head around it. Are you deliberately being a dick? I'm not so sure now, maybe you are this stupid after all...

Still, it says something that the only straws you can grasp at are stupid semantics as to who I actually blame for this debacle...