World Football Thread XVII : Champions League Final and beyond..

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Just cos you don't like the outcome - how ****ing arrogant is that?

Yep, like those arrogant bastards who were against Plessy v. Ferguson.

How dare they not wholeheartedly agree with a decision they believed was wrongly decided?

We all know that the officials always make the correct decisions, right?

As I have repeatedly stated, the decision is being reviewed. What more do you want?

The crime is a minor paperwork issue, allowing the 'possibility of 3rd party influence' weakening our team by having the ability to remove the players in question. The registrations were fine. This sort of deal is no worse than the thousands of loan deals ever year up and down the length and breadth of this country. The offence, though clearly breaking the rules, was relatively minor.

Why does it deserve a points reduction, and not a fine?

any sensible person will realise the punishment of docking points does not fit the crime when everything is taken into consideration

So, article writers, posters on this thread... basically just about everyone except West Ham supporters and the commission are being slagged... hmmm

Not true. Is Colon a West Ham supporter?

You're not impartial because you appear to have an irrational hatred of West Ham,

That is the only way you could possibly make your argument, right? Paint me as partial . I could give a flying fart about West Ham prior to this cheating. I'm sorry if I get mad about cheaters.

Your team cheated against West Ham. Oh wait, you're the master of double standards.

They fined us and slapped our wrists.

It is nice you are admitting, finally, that it was a slap on the wrist.

As it should have been, given the minor nature of the crime. I've admitted the former management did wrong all along, Dimran...

I just think in the scheme of things, given the minor nature of the transgression as well as full cooperation by the new management, that a fine is a proportional punishment.

Methinks he doth protest too much!

Considering how your "arguments" have turned people against you?

Like I actually give a flying rat's arse!

[Imran Siddiqui]

The crime is a minor paperwork issue, allowing the 'possibility of 3rd party influence' weakening our team by having the ability to remove the players in question. The registrations were fine. This sort of deal is no worse than the thousands of loan deals ever year up and down the length and breadth of this country. The offence, though clearly breaking the rules, was relatively minor.

Why does it deserve a points reduction, and not a fine?

Minor (even 'relatively')?

As your favored commission said:

"This was not only an obvious and deliberate breach of the rules, but a grave breach of trust as to the Premier League and its constituent members."

"In our finding the club has been responsible for dishonesty and deceit."

And that a deduction of points "would normally follow from such a breach of rules"

Yes, yes, I know West Hammies want to paint it as being somewhat minor, but we all know that without these violative deals that Tevez and Mascherano most likey would not have joined West Ham. It was only because the companies that owned their economic rights were able to get such a contract from West Ham, that they did join up. And West Ham did their best to conceal those part of the deals from the Premier League.

Is Colon a West Ham supporter?

[q=Colon]You've convinced me West Ham should have been docked points, Mobius.[/q]



Probably being silly, but fine, you can have one person in Colon.

Your team cheated against West Ham.

What, they weren't called offsides? When you can connect that to a payment to the refs, then maybe you can have a point. Unless you are alledging that every favorable call from a ref means that that side is 'cheating'.

given the minor nature of the transgression

The commission you are so fond off did not consider it minor. Unfortunately, I and most others, consider West Ham to have gotten off lightly, even though the commission considered a serious breach of the rules.

Like I actually give a flying rat's arse!

You really don't care that your arguments turn people AGAINST your point of view? You are content to be a piss poor debater? Your loss.

[Colon™]

That 2 - 2. Great final. The tension is murdering.

[Cort Haus]

Go Sevilla!

They shoulda killed it off ages ago.

[Colon™]

Shame for Espanyol they had to lose after putting up such a brave performance with 10.

Something tells me the CL final is going to be far less enjoyable.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

The crime is a minor paperwork issue, allowing the 'possibility of 3rd party influence' weakening our team by having the ability to remove the players in question. The registrations were fine. This sort of deal is no worse than the thousands of loan deals ever year up and down the length and breadth of this country. The offence, though clearly breaking the rules, was relatively minor.

Why does it deserve a points reduction, and not a fine?

Minor (even 'relatively')?

As your favored commission said:

"This was not only an obvious and deliberate breach of the rules, but a grave breach of trust as to the Premier League and its constituent members."

"In our finding the club has been responsible for dishonesty and deceit."

And that a deduction of points "would normally follow from such a breach of rules"

But they also say "Here, we have finally come to the view that a deduction of points would not be proportionate punishment"

Kind of what I have been saying all along...

Yes, yes, I know West Hammies want to paint it as being somewhat minor.

U13 is basically being guilty of not acting in good faith - did Liverpool behave towards "each other club and the league with the utmost good faith" when they fielded their Z team of no-names against Fulham and lost the other week?

Something else the commission said: "Three, had the club in time made disclosure of the third party contracts to the FAPL, then, in all probability, contracts could have been entered into which would not have offended the Rules."

Like, it would have been OK had Paul Aldridge only told the FA what we were doing sounds pretty minor to me...

And West Ham did their best to conceal those part of the deals from the Premier League.

Wrong. Paul Aldridge lied. It was the Finance Director under the new management that actually "brought attention to these breaches"

But hey, keep spinning the bollocks Dimmy...

Is Colon a West Ham supporter?

[q=Colon]You've convinced me West Ham should have been docked points, Mobius.[/q]



Probably being silly, but fine, you can have one person in Colon.

Well if this was such a clear cut case, surely all the other visitors to this thread would have chimed in - but there is a deafening silence instead...

Your team cheated against West Ham.

What, they weren't called offsides? When you can connect that to a payment to the refs, then maybe you can have a point. Unless you are alledging that every favorable call from a ref means that that side is 'cheating'.

Have you seen the offside in question!!? It is easily one of the most blatant offsides not to get called in the history of football! Just before you exhorted us to challenge officials and now you hypocritically change your tune - in fact two West Ham players disputed the goal and were given yellow cards for their trouble. Newcastle cheated, and your defence for them in view of calling West Ham cheats - is again hypocritical.

given the minor nature of the transgression

The commission you are so fond off did not consider it minor. Unfortunately, I and most others, consider West Ham to have gotten off lightly, even though the commission considered a serious breach of the rules.

If they didn't, why oh why did they not deduct us points?

You don't have an answer for that except repeatedly spitting out your dummy, Dimmy...

Like I actually give a flying rat's arse!

You really don't care that your arguments turn people AGAINST your point of view? You are content to be a piss poor debater? Your loss.

If you mean Colon, the jury is still out his comment until he sheds light onto why he said it - until then you are only making ass-umptions...

So far you have said nothing to prove your point.

In my corner I have precedent, an Independent Tribunal, the FA and, soon, FIFA.

In your corner you have a disgraced shoe salesman fined millions for price fixing, as well as being a one-time employer of Burmese sweat shop labour. And a bunch of whingeing losers whose teams deserve to be relegated due to their piss-poor form, which I can virtually guarantee Wigan will join next year.

That's some nice bedfellows you have there...

Have you placed your bet yet, seeing as you're so sure West Ham should have had points deducted?

[Cort Haus]

Newcastle cheated

How? The missed offside call was an error by the linesman & ref, surely? I've never heard being offside called cheating before.

[MOBIUS]

If we look closely at Imran's 'code of justice', people are honour bound to immediately rectify any injustices in the face of official decisions (even if they are the correct ones!) - hence the Newcastle players should have said "actually Mr Official, begging your pardon, but that goal was really offside and shouldn't stand"...

Using his logic, we were cheated by the injustice of the goal which should have otherwise been offside.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Here, we have finally come to the view that a deduction of points would not be proportionate punishment

Which is what most people have disagreed with. If it was that bad, then points should have been deducted. Simply because they were hovering around the relegation line should not be a consideration in dispensing justice (as they said, normally a points deduction would follow).

did Liverpool behave towards "each other club and the league with the utmost good faith" when they fielded their Z team of no-names against Fulham and lost the other week?

Err... yeah... you do realize that they have this thing called the Champions League. Resting their players for that does not in any way violate good faith... they had a very good reason for doing so.

it would have been OK had Paul Aldridge only told the FA what we were doing sounds pretty minor to me...

"In our finding the club has been responsible for dishonesty and deceit"

Wrong. Paul Aldridge lied.

Aldridge wasn't connected with West Ham? Well that's something new.

Have you seen the offside in question!!? It is easily one of the most blatant offsides not to get called in the history of football! Just before you exhorted us to challenge officials and now you hypocritically change your tune - in fact two West Ham players disputed the goal and were given yellow cards for their trouble. Newcastle cheated, and your defence for them in view of calling West Ham cheats - is again hypocritical.

You have proof then of Newcastle paying off the refs for offsides calls? Or are you really asserting that every blown call is a team 'cheating'?

How much further can you dig your own hole?

In my corner I have an Independent Tribunal, the FA and, soon, FIFA.

AC Milan had the Italian Courts and FIFA. You think their inclusion in the CL was correct?

In your corner you have a disgraced shoe salesman fined millions for price fixing, as well as being a one-time employer of Burmese sweat shop labour. And a bunch of whingeing losers whose teams deserve to be relegated due to their piss-poor form, which I can virtually guarantee Wigan will join next year.

And most football writers and a majority of Prem fans.

Have you placed your bet yet, seeing as you're so sure West Ham should have had points deducted?

Have you asked Colon about learning reading comprehension yet? Sorry, from the above statement, I'm guessing the answer is a no. It would require two things you are entirely incapable of, reading and comprehension.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Cort Haus

Newcastle cheated

How? The missed offside call was an error by the linesman & ref, surely? I've never heard being offside called cheating before.

Its Mobius digging his own hole deeper by trying to deflect West Ham's cheating.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Its Mobius digging his own hole deeper by trying to deflect West Ham's cheating.

It was a healthy dose of sarcasm aimed at your ****ed up idea of justice!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
It was a healthy dose of sarcasm aimed at your ****ed up idea of justice!

Yeah, what a ****ed up idea of justice when a team is accused of dishonesty and deceit, and their actions are considered to normally result in points deduction to actually think they should get a points deduction! And not care that they have new ownership or will be relegated if they get a points deduction or whatever else BS reasons.

[Colon™]

Can't the both of you just shut up?

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Here, we have finally come to the view that a deduction of points would not be proportionate punishment

Which is what most people have disagreed with.

Most people? Take time to actually look at the football forums why don't you. For every neutral giving us crap, there is at least one supporting us.

If it was that bad, then points should have been deducted. Simply because they were hovering around the relegation line should not be a consideration in dispensing justice (as they said, normally a points deduction would follow).

Keep twisting it all you like, it won't make any difference!

"Here, we have finally come to the view that a deduction of points would not be proportionate punishment"

did Liverpool behave towards "each other club and the league with the utmost good faith" when they fielded their Z team of no-names against Fulham and lost the other week?

Err... yeah... you do realize that they have this thing called the Champions League. Resting their players for that does not in any way violate good faith... they had a very good reason for doing so.

I'm sorry I missed the "except when playing the Champions League Final..." bit.

it would have been OK had Paul Aldridge only told the FA what we were doing sounds pretty minor to me...

"In our finding the club has been responsible for dishonesty and deceit"

Kindly look up 'dishonesty and deceit', if I said "I am wearing black briefs", would I not be guilty of dishonesty and deceit when it was subsequently found out the were actually blue - and shock of shocks! BOXERS!!!

I hardly think I deserve a points deduction for spreading such heinous lies!

Wrong. Paul Aldridge lied.

Aldridge wasn't connected with West Ham? Well that's something new.

Something new to you maybe. The important word is WAS, as in past tense, no longer connected with the club - something I have been hammering into your pea-brained little skull ad infinitum since the beginning!

Have you seen the offside in question!!? It is easily one of the most blatant offsides not to get called in the history of football! Just before you exhorted us to challenge officials and now you hypocritically change your tune - in fact two West Ham players disputed the goal and were given yellow cards for their trouble. Newcastle cheated, and your defence for them in view of calling West Ham cheats - is again hypocritical.

You have proof then of Newcastle paying off the refs for offsides calls? Or are you really asserting that every blown call is a team 'cheating'?

How much further can you dig your own hole?

Dimran the yank, caught 'offside' with a massive dose of sarcasm!

In my corner I have an Independent Tribunal, the FA and, soon, FIFA.

AC Milan had the Italian Courts and FIFA. You think their inclusion in the CL was correct?

This is the Premiership in the UK, not Italy so different laws apply - which incidentally exposes you to further calls of double standards wrt to Colon's point which you jumped on with eagerness, about West Ham's wrongdoing here being perfectly legal elsewhere!

In your corner you have a disgraced shoe salesman fined millions for price fixing, as well as being a one-time employer of Burmese sweat shop labour. And a bunch of whingeing losers whose teams deserve to be relegated due to their piss-poor form, which I can virtually guarantee Wigan will join next year.

And most football writers and a majority of Prem fans.

Wrong. As stated above. The writers maybe, but they have a vested interest in selling papers - but there are also plenty on our side...

Have you placed your bet yet, seeing as you're so sure West Ham should have had points deducted?

Have you asked Colon about learning reading comprehension yet? Sorry, from the above statement, I'm guessing the answer is a no. It would require two things you are entirely incapable of, reading and comprehension.

But he doesn't say why?

It could be that you are secretly bumming each other and he doesn't like his gay lover being so publicly pwned, for example...

Until we get the exact reason for his change of opinion, we cannot say for certain...

[Colon™]

I'm serious Mobius. I'd like you 2 to cut it out. You're killing this thread.