Sarah Palin: Completely bat****

[Ben Kenobi]

Nixon won twice and G.H.W. Bush won once. W was a retarded cokehead, so I'm not sure where he fits in.

W was one of ours.

McCain was a decent candidate who was handicapped by the burden of Bush fatigue and beaten by one of the best run campaigns in history.

He was a moderate and he lost. Same as Dole. HW Bush won and lost so he's a tossup. The last three times moderates have run, HW Bush, Dole, and McCain they've all lost.

Moderates aren't born losers. You're just cherry picking facts.

The only time a moderate has won was HW Bush in '92. They have lost 4 times, Ford, Dole, HW Bush 2 and McCain. conservative republicans have not lost, Reagan winning twice, and Bush winning twice. 4-0 vs 1-3. I think it's pretty clear.

[Ben Kenobi]

I don't think any repug could have won faced with what was happening.
Most of the people here were laughing when anybody said a repug could win.
Until palin was exposed for what she really was, it was still a contest.

McCain was leading AFTER he picked Palin. It wasn't until the big crash in October that McCain's numbers dipped back down.

I still think a McCain/Palin ticket could have won if not for the crash. They were ahead.

[rah]

Look at who they were running against. A dem that was really a repug and the 'ONE', Jesus, what a buffoon.

and make up your mind, McCain would have won or a moderate can't win.

[Ben Kenobi]

Jesus, what a buffoon

Wow, way to address the argument. So you concede that McCain's poll numbers went up after he picked Palin, and he was actually leading?

[Felch]

Candidates don't run in a vacuum. If you have Reagan vs. Carter that's a lot different from McCain vs. Obama.

[KrazyHorse]

flat tax :doitnow:

A flat tax with a significant lump sum disbursement isn't a bad idea. Unfortunately it is one of the things which no President will get through Congress.

[rah]

BK, What the hell are you talking about. I said I was hopeful when she was first picked. I said it was when the spotlight exposed her that things went south. I don't think he was ever actually leading. It was close for a bit and only the repug leaning polls showed him slightly ahead if I remember correctly.

Yes, I guess I shouldn't call you a buffoon because that would be insulting them.

[KrazyHorse]

Nobody but an idiot thought that McCain had a chance after the initial bump from the Palin pick wore off (as she demonstrated herself to be a ****ing moron).

The Dems had a built in EC advantage last time around. McCain probably needed to win by > 1% in popular vote in order to win the EC. There was no way he was going to do that.

[Ben Kenobi]

I said it was when the spotlight exposed her that things went south. I don't think he was ever actually leading.

Then you are mistaken. He was leading, up until the crash in October. Once the market lost roughly a third of it's value, he was done.

[KrazyHorse]

Hey, *****: remember when you were confidently predicting a McCain win but wouldn't put your money where your mouth was?

[Theben]

Wow, way to address the argument. So you concede that McCain's poll numbers went up after he picked Palin, and he was actually leading?

Do you recall when he announced he picked Palin? And what normally happens after that?

[Ben Kenobi]

The Dems had a built in EC advantage last time around. McCain probably needed to win by > 1% in popular vote in order to win the EC. There was no way he was going to do that.

Hmm?

No.

IA,OH,FL,NC,VA,CO is enough to win.

[Ben Kenobi]

Hey, *****: remember when you were confidently predicting a McCain win but wouldn't put your money where your mouth was?

You were saying it was 5 to 1 against McCain, so I said fine. I'll pony up 400 if you pony up 2 grand.

Unsurprisingly you turned my bet down.

[Guynemer]

I don't see how you can say that. McCain was our candidate this time, not one of the far right wack jobs. The moderates will be heard. I won't even comment on BKs comment since he's part of the far right wack group.

Yes, McCain was the candidate. But who dominated the rhetoric? It wasn't the McCain wing of the party.

[rah]

Who the candidate is, was voted by the party. Which is more important the a few speeches that were allowed, to throw a bone to the morons like BK. As evident here, you can see that they were lapped up by the dogs they are. We just string them along for votes. Similar to what the dems do for minorities.