One nazi less?

[Aeson]

Charlie Kirk's economic and environmental positions are two of the main reasons many young couples have to choose not to have children.

[Aeson]

At face value I did chuckle at that, but then considered that what it alternatively says is that even during the time when corporal punishment was generally acceptable, rape most definitely wasn't.

Not even rape, just joking about it. Now it's, "locker room talk" ... and you can still be president.

The really scary thing is it's the same fathers who 40 years ago would have beat their sons for saying such a thing that will vote for the rapist.

[Lorizael]

Not the forum, small farming towns in the Western US during the 80s and 90s. (Though not limited to such.)

When pressed on the appropriateness of such casual talk about administering corporal punishment, members of the forum hearken back to what they see as the traditional rural values of "small farming towns" in the 80s and 90s.

[Aeson]

When pressed on the appropriateness of such casual talk about administering corporal punishment, members of the forum hearken back to what they see as the traditional rural values of "small farming towns" in the 80s and 90s.

You aren't making a decent analog.

Now if in response you had said, "yah, beat those kids black and blue" and I had laughed. And we consistently over years made similar statements about beating kids or other violent fantasies, and supported candidates that promised to (or actually were able to) take steps towards legalizing child abuse, or were beating their own kids ... you'd have a point.

[Lorizael]

...are you new here?

[Aeson]

No, 24 years posting and never once said anything even remotely supporting child abuse. So I'm having trouble understanding what you're trying to get at?

[Aeson]

It was simply a statement of fact. That's the culture I grew up in.

[Aeson]

Immigration: I have no idea how to fix our dependence on illegal immigrant labor, which isn't very healthy, but I don't believe they commit substantial amounts of actually worrisome crime or any of the other bogey-stories, and I don't believe Americans are going to pick all that fruit themselves. Sanctuary cities are a bad idea, but otherwise I'm Left on this one.

That's actually very far right. Even Reagan gave amnesty.

It's easy to fix. Just remove all the racially motivated restrictions that stop the workforce we need from entering the country legally. Then allow illegals to gain a green card by whistleblowing employers who employ illegals. Jobs filled by legal immigrants, done.

[Lorizael]

The guy above us regularly chimes in to tell us we're going to burn in nuclear hellfire and we all just laugh it off.

[Elok]

It's even sadder knowing you know they are wrong, disagree with them on various issues, but still go to bat for them.

I think I see the difficulty here. I'm not "going to bat" for anybody. If you say something I disagree with or don't think is true, I will disagree with you, regardless of whether or not this incidentally allies me with this person or tribe or that. Truth or falsehood are not contingent on political alliances. If you say "we should never have trusted Josef Stalin, dirty Armenians are all inbred goat****ing mountain devils," and I ask you where the hell that came from and also mention that Stalin was Georgian, I am not "going to bat" for Stalin. You just happened to say something wrong about a horrible person. Now, my corrections are pretty much all against perceived excesses or errors of leftism, but you might have noticed the right-wing presence on this forum is kind of nonexistent these days. When something right-wing does come up, it's either MWHC blathering something incoherent, Sloww posting emotive claims with minimal/dubious factual content, or Dinner just popping up and being Dinner. There's not really much to do there, unless I feel like burnishing my reputation here by being the eighth person to dunk on them.

I mean, I could argue about Charlie Kirk with Serb, but first of all it's Serb, he ain't gonna listen, and second I didn't really pay that much attention to Kirk when he was alive so I just have this rough impression that he was a Kenobi-ish troll who postured as a reasonable man while seeking out arguments with dullards.

[Aeson]

I haven't seen my wife and son since Dec 7 of last year. Because of the ****ing racist immigration system we have. My son probably will never meet his grandpa because if the ****ing racist immigration system.

And those dumb ****ing "edgelords" main problem with our immigration system is it's not ****ing racist enough for their tastes. And you try to tell me I'm radical leftist for wanting families to not be torn apart by ****ing fascists enforcing increasingly ****ing racist immigration law. Then call yourself a leftist for not knowing how to fix the ****ing racist immigration system.

[Aeson]

. Now, my corrections are pretty much all against perceived excesses or errors of leftism

Yes. And you diminish the wrongs of pretty much every right wing actor.

[Elok]

EDIT: FFS everyone is right-wing compared to you, you're a bloody Green. What am I going to do to outflank you from the Left? Do I need to rag on Fidel Castro for his reactionary tendencies?

I didn't say I was a leftist. God forbid. I said my position on immigration was leftist, which by modern American standards it is. I can acknowledge that this isn't saying much, but if you prefer: I disagree strongly with Trump and MAGA on immigration. There. I'm sorry you're going through that. If it's a rough subject for you, I can try to avoid it.

Also I think what Lori is saying is something akin to "it's not terribly hard to make isolated quotes from the internet sound awful." Lori, correct me if I'm wrong.

[Aeson]

Also I think what Lori is saying is something akin to "it's not terribly hard to make isolated quotes from the internet sound awful." Lori, correct me if I'm wrong.

It is hard to make years worth of chats that paint a consistent picture that align with political affiliation and platforms of supported candidates "out of context".

[Aeson]

I didn't say I was a leftist. God forbid. I said my position on immigration was leftist, which by modern American standards it is. I can acknowledge that this isn't saying much, but if you prefer: I disagree strongly with Trump and MAGA on immigration. There. I'm sorry you're going through that. If it's a rough subject for you, I can try to avoid it.

I don't care if you address immigration. In fact I'd love to go at it.

However calling yourself leftist on the issue when you're right of Reagan is absurd.