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**Ming** · August 1, 2023, 19:48

Yep... Trump gets indicted again with REAL evidence. While all the Repubs can do is state their opinions on the "Biden Crime Family" with no real proof. Their star witness didn't deliver. He actually kind of destroyed their case.
But that's OK, most of them still support and believe Trump regardless of the actual evidence, while they continue their witch hunt.

I actually like to look at real evidence... not some theories from obviously biased sources like the Heritage Foundation.

If real evidence is found, then I hope all the criminals get their just due, no matter what party.
And right now, all the real evidence is against Trump.

**Ming** · August 1, 2023, 22:59

So Berz... do you think it's OK for an Ex President to be calling people by childish insulting nick names?
Is that how Ex Presidents should act?
Do you believe there was massive levels of fraud and that he actually won?
Do you believe that the Jan 6th was just a peaceful protest?
Do you actually believe that Trump didn't illegally try to hold on to office after he lost?

**Berzerker** · August 1, 2023, 23:13

in 2016 there was an effort from Democrats to overturn the election results, among the tactics employed was harassing electors into becoming 'faithless'. Some did vote against Trump, some got death threats.

**Berzerker** · August 1, 2023, 23:58

Originally posted by Ming View Post

So Berz... do you think it's OK for an Ex President to be calling people by childish insulting nick names?
Is that how Ex Presidents should act?
Do you believe there was massive levels of fraud and that he actually won?
Do you believe that the Jan 6th was just a peaceful protest?
Do you actually believe that Trump didn't illegally try to hold on to office after he lost?

What is childish about Tony I-am-the-science Faustian? While children might see the humor in Tony's appeal to authority I dont think Faust would enter their minds. Our current president calls people names, Fauci called people names, smeared them, including scientists, while bribing others sounding the alarm about Covid's origin with grants to back him up. Of course the election was rigged, the govt at numerous levels censored people. The deep state gave the media the rationale for censoring the lap top story by claiming it was Putin helping Trump the traitor.

I dont know about the ballots/voting, 81m for Joe when Trump got 10m more than '16 raises an eyebrow but I dont see anyone with evidence of machine tampering, time will tell. Jan 6 was a riot and the govt is hiding the extent of its involvement from the accused who could or would otherwise claim entrapment. That bothers me more than the rioters. I haven't seen the recent charges against Trump but given the Dems' track record I wont be surprised when this pile of wet firecrackers fizzles too.

**Berzerker** · August 2, 2023, 00:04

The Feds knew about Hunter's lap top long before the election. They buried it. And they had a plan if and when it didn't stay buried. They told media be prepared for Russian election interference, its a coming. Ofc the media is nothing but propagandists for mass murderers so it aint like they were gonna rush out and tell the world about Joe Biden. That information will only become widely available when Wall St decides its time for Joe to go.

**BeBMan** · August 2, 2023, 04:16

Donald Trump indictment: Ex-president charged with bid to overturn 2020 election

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66263089

The former US president is accused of four counts and "prolific lies about election fraud".

Edit: ooops pchang already posted it.

**Ming** · August 2, 2023, 09:18

Originally posted by Berzerker View Post

What is childish about Tony I-am-the-science Faustian? While children might see the humor in Tony's appeal to authority I dont think Faust would enter their minds. Our current president calls people names, Fauci called people names, smeared them, including scientists, while bribing others sounding the alarm about Covid's origin with grants to back him up. Of course the election was rigged, the govt at numerous levels censored people. The deep state gave the media the rationale for censoring the lap top story by claiming it was Putin helping Trump the traitor.

I dont know about the ballots/voting, 81m for Joe when Trump got 10m more than '16 raises an eyebrow but I dont see anyone with evidence of machine tampering, time will tell. Jan 6 was a riot and the govt is hiding the extent of its involvement from the accused who could or would otherwise claim entrapment. That bothers me more than the rioters. I haven't seen the recent charges against Trump but given the Dems' track record I wont be surprised when this pile of wet firecrackers fizzles too.

Let's see... it's been over 2 years, AND THERE IS STILL NO EVIDENCE. TIME will NOT TELL. It's over, there was no massive fraud. PERIOD. Trump Lost.
And your, the "govt is hiding the extent of its involvement"... NO PROOF OF THAT EITHER. Just wild ass conspiracy theories from Right Wing hacks like the Heritage Foundation.
And if you actually read all the indictments, there are some very serious charges which they ACTUALLY HAVE EVIDENCE OF.
But feel free to keep believing he did nothing wrong. He did... LOTS OF THINGS.
He is his own worst enemy. For a man who claims how smart he is, he sure can act stupid.

**Berzerker** · August 2, 2023, 15:10

The media would not defend Ray Epps if he really was a MAGA "insurrectionist"

**Berzerker** · August 2, 2023, 15:32

Originally posted by Ming View Post

Let's see... it's been over 2 years, AND THERE IS STILL NO EVIDENCE. TIME will NOT TELL. It's over, there was no massive fraud. PERIOD. Trump Lost.
And your, the "govt is hiding the extent of its involvement"... NO PROOF OF THAT EITHER. Just wild ass conspiracy theories from Right Wing hacks like the Heritage Foundation.
And if you actually read all the indictments, there are some very serious charges which they ACTUALLY HAVE EVIDENCE OF.
But feel free to keep believing he did nothing wrong. He did... LOTS OF THINGS.
He is his own worst enemy. For a man who claims how smart he is, he sure can act stupid.

It took us a few years to learn Russiagate was a scam, voting machine manipulation would be a much tighter conspiracy with fewer loose lips. Yes there is proof the govt is hiding the extent of its involvement, thats why they were so mad when McCarthy gave Carlson access to capital video. I saw undercover govt assets over ruling uniform cops guarding a locked door. They moved the cops away and opened the door to let protesters in. There is other video showing uniform cops removing barriers and waving people in, but that came after the breach led by Epps and his crew.

Thats why the Washington FBI wouldn't give video to local FBI branches being told to chase down rioters. Yeah, the local FBI asked for the video so they'd know who to look for and what they did, Washington told them they couldn't have the video because it showed govt assets. Doing what exactly? Why would a local FBI office tasked with arresting rioters care if govt assets were caught on film? Washington cared... Those assets were misbehaving.

I hear Epps is being charged now lol. Yeah, whatever happened to the young man who breached a barrier 2-3 seconds after Epps whispered into his ear?

**Jon Miller** · August 2, 2023, 15:35

Originally posted by Berzerker View Post

The media would not defend Ray Epps if he really was a MAGA "insurrectionist"

Can you provide any evidence of this defense? I haven't seen it.

I did see this

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/12/why-cant-right-wing-bubble-give-up-ray-epps/

JM

**Berzerker** · August 2, 2023, 16:08

does that look like a defense?

**Ming** · August 2, 2023, 16:18

Still NO PROOF. Just opinions, and wild ass theories. You claim proof based on opinions, but no real evidence.
And I guess in your opinion, if they don't find proof about election fraud in the next ten years, that's just proof there was election fraud?

Case after Case, investigation after investigation... they all come back the same. NO MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD. And most of the little examples of fraud were on the Republican Side

**Berzerker** · August 2, 2023, 17:10

I'm curious about the timing of Epps' lawsuit and these recent charges he's supposedly facing

Charging him would theoretically help his lawsuit, they can always drop the charges later after a jury is led to believe he's not a govt asset

**Berzerker** · August 2, 2023, 17:16

Harvard Harris poll shows RFK has the highest favorability (47) and lowest unfavorable (26)

Trump 45-49
Musk (cant run) 44-35
Sanders 41-41
DeSantis 40-37
Biden 39-53

**Jon Miller** · August 2, 2023, 18:10

That article is not defending Epps... at least, it doesn't make me feel like Epps is a good guy or innocent.

JM

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