Politics Thread

[Berzerker]

If you need an opinion then I'm sorry, but I'm not the cancer doctors reporting higher relapse rates of fully vaxxed patients and I'm not a Democrat, roughly half thought people had a ~50% chance of being hospitalized from Covid because of the brainwashing of Pfizer's messengers. Imagine that, the people doing their own research had a better grasp of reality than the party of crusaders out to censor the world to protect us from misinformation.

[-Jrabbit]

Your breezy, undocumented approach to revisionist history is amusing.
But hey, if it helps you keep believing that "doing your own research" is better than actual scientific research, I understand your need to arrange reality that way.

[Geronimo]

speaking of Covid, or more accurately, the vaccine... Get a 2nd opinion before boosters if you have any comorbidity that depends on your immune system running well

cancer doctors are noticing relapses in patients who are up to date on their boosters. The theory is the vax stresses the immune system allowing for the disease to advance, maybe they're also finding (and distinguishing) cancer patients who get Covid are also relapsing at higher rates. I'd expect any bug or vaccine hitting the immune system to have an effect on cancer cell development, boosters every 6-12 months might not be a good idea, especially if you got Covid already. My sister's breast cancer relapsed within a month of a bout of the flu in January years before Covid. I dont know if a flu shot in the fall would have helped her or if cancer patients are advised against them.

If cancer patients who get covid infections also relapse at higher rates then cancer patients need data on covid infection rates with and without vaccine and boosters to make rational cost/benefits analysis of receiving vaccine or boosters against covid. Do you have that data Berz? Without it, how would you know the wisdom of the covid vaccine or it's boosters even for the limited population segment of cancer patients?

[Ming]

Gee Berz... I talked to my doctor today and he said your claims are total BS. He said most sources are not reporting what you claim is being reported. And, most of the Democrats I know didn't think there was a 50% chance to have to go to the hospital.
So I call BS on that one as well. I'm sure you saw it in some Video and is just reporting it.

[Berzerker]

If cancer patients who get covid infections also relapse at higher rates then cancer patients need data on covid infection rates with and without vaccine and boosters to make rational cost/benefits analysis of receiving vaccine or boosters against covid. Do you have that data Berz? Without it, how would you know the wisdom of the covid vaccine or it's boosters even for the limited population segment of cancer patients?

The doctor John Campbell interviewed is a Melanoma specialist who has seen stable patients getting relapses at higher rates and he saw they were all up to date on their boosters. So that assumes a higher rate than the non-boostered population who would ostensibly get covid at higher rates than the boosted population. That suggests the relapse rate for the boosted population is higher than both the non-boosted and covid survivor populations.

[-Jrabbit]

Observation is not study.
Suggestion is not fact.
Correlation is not causation.

[Berzerker]

I didn't say any of that

[-Jrabbit]

Since you're ready to go to war based on one doctor's report of his personal observations, yet routinely deny actual peer-reviewed science as some sort of government/pharma scheme, I thought a basic reminder might be appropriate.

[Berzerker]

Gee Berz... I talked to my doctor today and he said your claims are total BS. He said most sources are not reporting what you claim is being reported. And, most of the Democrats I know didn't think there was a 50% chance to have to go to the hospital.
So I call BS on that one as well. I'm sure you saw it in some Video and is just reporting it.

So your doctor confirmed some sources are reporting a connection between boosters and relapse rates? I'm getting my info from one of those sources and I'm not sure why your doctor would call it BS, I hope he's not a Melanoma specialist treating you and if he isn't, well, I'll go with the guy who has been treating patients for decades. As for the poll, I've posted it at Poly at least once, most recently when Rabbit called it BS. QAnon was better informed on covid than BluAnon and that brainwashing created a panic that drove people mad... and they were Democrats. People lost their jobs or took the jabs, lives were destroyed, and the victims were being called Nazis for protesting.

Remember when we were told the vax would prevent infection and transmission? Pfizer never tested the vax for that. It was a lie. We were told that lie and every time lockdown restrictions were relaxed for vaccinated people covid infection rates spiked. That lie got people killed, that lie convinced vaccinated people they couldn't get covid or transmit it to their loved ones. And while that was happening the Democrats were slamming and smearing and censoring people telling the truth.

[-Jrabbit]

Just for the record, I totally do not remember being told that getting the Covid vaccine would prevent transmission of the disease -- which is a fvcking airborne virus. Get real.
Please cite or delete.

[Berzerker]

BIDEN: “You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.” — town hall.

That was July '21 shortly before my first shot

[-Jrabbit]

If you took that statement to mean "the vaccine prevents transmission of Covid," that's on you.

[pchang]

Here is a link to a paper that is probably the source of Berz’s assertion. If you read through, you will find it is based upon 2 case studies. So very far from statistically significant and no effort is made to compare against how many people naturally have cancer relapse.

This, by the way is how one does their own research.

[Berzerker]

former CIA director Michael Hayden (was he one of the 51 experts who lied to us to elect Biden?) says Sen Tommy Tuberville should be removed from the human race for blocking military promotions over abortion funding. He tried to walk it back:

Earlier Tuesday, Hayden tweeted that he was, "surprised to wake up this morning and discover MAGAnuts had lost their minds over my suggestions that ‘Coach’ Tuberville not be considered a member of the human race."

Here's what he said:

When one social media platform X user asked if Tuberville should be removed from his committee, Hayden responded, "how about the human race?"

Sadly our taxes support this man

[-Jrabbit]

You mean Tuberville? Agreed, very sad.

[Ming]

No... my Doctor said that the few studies available didn't take many other factors into consideration, weren't statistically sound, and didn't prove anything. In other words, the data sucks. More detailed and formal studies would need to be done to actually prove it.
And I asked because I have cancer and have had all the vaccines. His advice was it's better for me to have the vaccines since I'm a high risk candidate. But feel free to continue to promote any wack job crap you see in a biased video on the internet.

And I see that you just changed the argument after your BS statement that most Democrats believed that 50% of Covid patients ended up in the hospital. They didn't, pure and simple. But again, just keep pulling stuff out of your ass and then changing your tune when you are called on it.

[Berzerker]

I'm sorry to hear that... But the whack job crap I promoted is a highly credentialed Melanoma specialist who has seen higher relapse rates among his fully boosted patients including ones who've been stable for long periods. And I know for a fact my sister's numbers started going up soon after getting the flu. Did you get Covid yet and did your doctor say there is no risk of vaccines having any effect on cancer? Or did he say 'dont know'?

[Ming]

I don't care who is promoting it... the studies prove nothing at this point in time. If there were some REAL true clinical data to back it up, that would be one thing. My doctor who is also a cancer specialist disagrees with your expert, because the data just isn't there.
I guess you are claiming I will relapse because I've had the vaccine and every booster. Guess what, I haven't.
NO EXPERT can say one way or another because nothing has been proven one way or another.
So unlike you, I won't promote online internet BS as if it was true.

And I still see you haven't stood by your most Democrats believe Covid hospitalization crap. Because that's what it was, just pure BS.

[Berzerker]

Here is a link to a paper that is probably the source of Berz’s assertion. If you read through, you will find it is based upon 2 case studies. So very far from statistically significant and no effort is made to compare against how many people naturally have cancer relapse.

This, by the way is how one does their own research.

https://youtu.be/PnJ5T1Enwq4

Here's John Campbell's interview with the Melanoma specialist

He said relapses are often linked to stress brought on by life but in this case he couldn't identify the usual suspects... The people who relapsed were all up to date on their boosters though

[-Jrabbit]

Ah yes, Dr. John Campbell: the source of a significant amount of Jimmy Dore's misinformation. Campbell - who is not a doctor, but has a PhD in nursing - has misrepresented a host of Covid-related topics. About ivermectin, about Covid deaths being over-reported, about vaccines causing brain injury, and on and on.

It's a shame, because Campbell was once a well-respected source of insightful nursing knowledge -- until the pandemic panic monetized his YouTube channel. Now, he just keeps trolling for clicks, even if it means he sometimes has to admit he's a raging, serial liar:

In October 2023, the BBC Radio 4 programme More or Less debunked a video that Campbell had made in September 2023 in which he wrongly claimed that excess deaths were higher among those who had had a COVID-19 vaccine than those who had not; the figures he used in fact showed the opposite. Campbell took down his video after being contacted by the programme, telling them that he was not a statistician.

But hey, surely this time he's onto something!

[Berzerker]

I don't care who is promoting it... the studies prove nothing at this point in time. If there were some REAL true clinical data to back it up, that would be one thing. My doctor who is also a cancer specialist disagrees with your expert, because the data just isn't there.
I guess you are claiming I will relapse because I've had the vaccine and every booster. Guess what, I haven't.
NO EXPERT can say one way or another because nothing has been proven one way or another.
So unlike you, I won't promote online internet BS as if it was true.

And I still see you haven't stood by your most Democrats believe Covid hospitalization crap. Because that's what it was, just pure BS.

Your doctor doesn't have his data. I'm not claiming you will relapse, I posted information from a doctor who sees enough of a connection to sound a warning. And no where did I say it was true. As for the poll, I never said most Democrats believe that. I said roughly half thought there was about a 50% chance of hospitalization. I posted that poll here because Rabbit wanted it. The people most misinformed about covid were Democrats and they want to censor the internet.

[Ming]

You posted a single point of view not "proven" as fact like it is a fact. It's just anti vax propaganda until ACTUALLY PROVEN.
My doctor is an expert, and was aware of the "theory" you posted. And he said actual clinical studies were needed to prove such a thing, Also, he said he hadn't seen the tread in his patients.
And I laugh when you say that the most misinformed people were Democrats. The Dems weren't drinking bleach or trying to shine a light up their ass

[pchang]

Anecdotes != Proof

[Berzerker]

and thats coming from an MIT rocket scientist

[pchang]

And yet you go with anecdotes every time as long as they conform to your worldview.

[Geronimo]

Anecdotes != Proof

Anecdotes typically don't even qualify as scientific evidence.

[Berzerker]

Somebody inform Melanoma doctors to ignore relapse rates then

[-Jrabbit]

Somebody inform Berzerker that study and verification is how actual science works.

[-Jrabbit]

No one is saying to ignore relapse rates. It is clearly worthy of study.
No one is trying to bury this idea. They just want it proven. By science, not by anecdote.