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  • #121
    9 Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
    11 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
    17 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
    6 - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)+
    19 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
    10 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
    12 - General George Patton (USA) --

    Eliminated:
    1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
    2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
    3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
    4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
    5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
    6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
    7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
    8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
    9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)

    Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
    Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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    • #122
      10 Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)+
      11 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
      17 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
      4 - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)--
      19 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
      10 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
      12 - General George Patton (USA)

      Eliminated:
      1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
      2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
      3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
      4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
      5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
      6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
      7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
      8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
      9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)


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      • #123
        10 Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
        11 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
        17 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
        2 - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany) --
        19 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
        10 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
        13 - General George Patton (USA) +

        Eliminated:
        1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
        2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
        3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
        4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
        5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
        6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
        7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
        8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
        9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
        "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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        • #124
          10 Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
          11 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
          18 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR) +
          19 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
          10 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
          13 - General George Patton (USA)

          Eliminated:
          1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
          2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
          3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
          4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
          5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
          6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
          7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
          8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
          9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
          10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany) --

          JM
          Jon Miller-
          I AM.CANADIAN
          GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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          • #125
            10 Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
            11 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
            18 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
            20 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA) +
            8 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan) --
            13 - General George Patton (USA)

            Eliminated:
            1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
            2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
            3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
            4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
            5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
            6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
            7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
            8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
            9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
            10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
            "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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            • #126
              10 Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
              11 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
              18 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
              20 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
              6 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan) -- didn't win any battle after April 1943
              14 - General George Patton (USA) +1 got several tank models named after him

              Eliminated:
              1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
              2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
              3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
              4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
              5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
              6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
              7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
              8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
              9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
              10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
              Blah

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              • #127
                10 Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
                9 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland) --
                19 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR) +
                20 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
                6 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
                14 - General George Patton (USA)

                Eliminated:
                1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
                2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
                3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
                4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
                5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
                6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
                7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
                8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
                9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
                10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)

                JM
                Jon Miller-
                I AM.CANADIAN
                GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                • #128
                  10 Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
                  10 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland) +
                  19 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
                  20 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
                  4 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)--
                  14 - General George Patton (USA)

                  Eliminated:
                  1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
                  2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
                  3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
                  4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
                  5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
                  6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
                  7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
                  8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
                  9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
                  10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)


                  I think Emil Mannerheim made a better showing with an impossible situation than Yamamoto did.

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                  • #129
                    10 Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
                    11 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland) +
                    19 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
                    20 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
                    2 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan) --
                    14 - General George Patton (USA)

                    Eliminated:
                    1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
                    2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
                    3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
                    4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
                    5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
                    6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
                    7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
                    8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
                    9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
                    10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
                    "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                    • #130
                      10 Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
                      12 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland) +
                      19 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
                      20 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
                      14 - General George Patton (USA)

                      Eliminated:
                      1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
                      2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
                      3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
                      4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
                      5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
                      6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
                      7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
                      8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
                      9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
                      10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
                      11th - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan) --

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                      • #131
                        Everyone else was really crucial to the war.

                        10 Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
                        10 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland) --
                        20 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR) +
                        20 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
                        14 - General George Patton (USA)

                        Eliminated:
                        1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
                        2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
                        3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
                        4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
                        5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
                        6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
                        7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
                        8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
                        9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
                        10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
                        11th - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)

                        JM
                        Jon Miller-
                        I AM.CANADIAN
                        GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                        • #132
                          I wasn't sure if the best measure of greatness would be how much opportunity for greatness your state afforded you as a general in this contest. Was Ike a greater general than any of these generals who didn't serve in one of the big 3 then? In any event Mannerheim's campaigns had a profound effect on the course of the war.

                          I'm totally undecided about who should be eliminated next but I suppose it will be Patton or Mannerheim for me. Which was the greater general?

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                          • #133
                            Manstein gets benefit due to being relieved after disagreeing with Hitler in early 1944. That reduced opportunities for him to make mistakes at the end of the war.

                            Patton made some mistakes, but also had genius (same with Rommel, though, who is already out).

                            I just read a bit, and Mannerheim seemed more an Ike. I just don't think he is at the same level of Zhukov or Nimitz (I know that some people don't give all the credit to Nimitz that I do), or Manstein.

                            I guess I would favor Patton over Mannerheim, but I have read a lot more about Patton than Mannerheim.

                            JM
                            Jon Miller-
                            I AM.CANADIAN
                            GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                            • #134
                              8 Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)--
                              10 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
                              20 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
                              20 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
                              15 - General George Patton (USA) +

                              Eliminated:
                              1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
                              2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
                              3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
                              4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
                              5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
                              6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
                              7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
                              8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
                              9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
                              10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
                              11th - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
                              "

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                              • #135
                                Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
                                Manstein gets benefit due to being relieved after disagreeing with Hitler in early 1944. That reduced opportunities for him to make mistakes at the end of the war.

                                Patton made some mistakes, but also had genius (same with Rommel, though, who is already out).

                                I just read a bit, and Mannerheim seemed more an Ike. I just don't think he is at the same level of Zhukov or Nimitz (I know that some people don't give all the credit to Nimitz that I do), or Manstein.

                                I guess I would favor Patton over Mannerheim, but I have read a lot more about Patton than Mannerheim.

                                JM
                                I think Manstein also gets some credit for his after war activities...as does Mannerheim.

                                Patton was a brilliant tactical commander but showed a lack of ability to understand broader strategic relationships.

                                Nimitz likely saved tens of thousands of lives with his strategy on approaching the war in the Pacific. He practically invented replenishment at sea which gave the Navy to keep up its incredible pace in the late war.

                                Zhukov basically saved the Red Army and turned it into a juggernaut. His relationship with Ike may very well have avoided another war shortly after the end of WWII.

                                All these leaders have strengths and are deserving. Yet, I agree that of those on the list Zhukov and Nimitz are at the top.
                                "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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