WW2 generals - hurt or heal

[Dauphin]

I didn't have a specific battle in mind, but this may be indicative of why I have the impression:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mars

Operation Mars (Russian: Операция «Марс»), also known as the Second Rzhev-Sychevka Offensive Operation (Russian: Вторая Ржевско-Сычёвская наступательная операция), was the codename for an offensive launched by Soviet forces against German forces during World War II. It took place between 25 November and 20 December 1942 around the Rzhev salient in the vicinity of Moscow.
...
The offensive was a joint operation of the Soviet Western Front and Kalinin Front co-ordinated by Georgy Zhukov.
...
Casualties

• Soviet:
  • Isayev:
    70,373 irrecoverable
    145,301 sanitary^[2]
  • Glantz:
    100,000 killed
    235,000 wounded
    1,600 tanks^[3]
• German: 40,000 casualties

Operation Mars was a military failure, and the Soviets were unable to accomplish any of their objectives. However, in the aftermath of Operation Mars the commander of Army Group Centre, Generalfeldmarschall Günther von Kluge, recommended the Germans abandon the salient to economize on manpower and to assume more defensible positions.

[Geronimo]

Impression is that Zhukov defeated impressive generals using his resources.

JM

arguably Zhukov had as much resource at his disposal as any other general. Did he usually out perform his adversaries given the limitations on each side? I'm not really sure.

[EPW]

7 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)--
11 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
22 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)+
22 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)


Eliminated:
1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
11th - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
12th - General George Patton (USA) -

[BeBMan]

6 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany) -1 for not using US trucks
11 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
21 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR) -1 for using US trucks
23 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA) +1 for using US trucks


Eliminated:
1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
11th - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
12th - General George Patton (USA)

[PLATO]

4 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany) --
11 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
21 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
24 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA) +


Eliminated:
1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
11th - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
12th - General George Patton (USA)

[Geronimo]

4 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
11 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
19 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)--
25 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)+


Eliminated:
1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
11th - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
12th - General George Patton (USA)

[EPW]

4 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
11 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
20- General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)+
23 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)--

Japan never had a chance, can't say the same about Germany.


Eliminated:
1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
11th - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
12th - General George Patton (USA)

[BeBMan]

4 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
10 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland) -1
21- General Georgi Zhukov (USSR) +1
22 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA) -1

Keepin' the suspense


Eliminated:
1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
11th - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
12th - General George Patton (USA)

[Gertrude]

5 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany) +
10 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
20- General Georgi Zhukov (USSR) -1
21 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA) -1

Keepin' the suspense


Eliminated:
1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
11th - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
12th - General George Patton (USA)

[PLATO]

3 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany) --
10 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
20- General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
22 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA) +

Keepin' the suspense


Eliminated:
1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
11th - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
12th - General George Patton (USA)

[Geronimo]

3 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
11 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)+
18- General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)--
22 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)

Keepin' the suspense


Eliminated:
1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
11th - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
12th - General George Patton (USA)

[Egbert]

4 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany) +
11 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
17- General Georgi Zhukov (USSR) -
21 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA) -

Keepin' the suspense


Eliminated:
1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
11th - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
12th - General George Patton (USA)

[BeBMan]

4 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
11 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland) +1 for having his own line of fortifications in the Winter War
16- General Georgi Zhukov (USSR) -1
20 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA) -1




Eliminated:
1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
11th - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
12th - General George Patton (USA)

[Geronimo]

4 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
12 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland) +1 for probably being able totally best Zhukov in a equal match up
14- General Georgi Zhukov (USSR) -2
20 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)




Eliminated:
1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
11th - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
12th - General George Patton (USA)

[EPW]

4 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
12 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
15 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR) +
18 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA) -- FOR NOT BEING A FÃœCKING GENERAL

Eliminated:
1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
7th - General Omar Bradley (USA)
8th - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding (UK)
9th - Heinz Guderian (Germany)
10th - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
11th - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
12th - General George Patton (USA)