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  • #46
    12 - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding
    14 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
    12 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
    11 - Heinz Guderian (Germany) (Generals Lutz and Guderian must share the credit blitzkreig)
    11 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
    11 - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
    5 - Bernard Montgomery (UK)-1
    10 - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
    15 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
    11 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
    10 - General Omar Bradley (USA)
    15 - General George Patton (USA)
    4 - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)+


    Eliminated:
    1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
    2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
    3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)-1

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    • #47
      12 - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding
      14 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
      12 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
      12 - Heinz Guderian (Germany) (Generals Lutz and Guderian must share the credit blitzkreig) +
      11 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
      11 - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
      5 - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
      10 - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
      15 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
      11 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
      10 - General Omar Bradley (USA)
      15 - General George Patton (USA)
      2 - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)--


      Eliminated:
      1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
      2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
      3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)

      JM
      Jon Miller-
      I AM.CANADIAN
      GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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      • #48
        12 - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding
        14 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
        12 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
        12 - Heinz Guderian (Germany) (Generals Lutz and Guderian must share the credit blitzkreig)
        11 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
        12 - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany) +
        3 - Bernard Montgomery (UK) - -
        10 - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
        15 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
        11 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
        10 - General Omar Bradley (USA)
        15 - General George Patton (USA)
        2 - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)


        Eliminated:
        1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
        2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
        3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
        Keep on Civin'
        RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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        • #49
          12 - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding
          14 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
          12 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
          12 - Heinz Guderian (Germany) (Generals Lutz and Guderian must share the credit blitzkreig)
          11 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
          10 - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany) --
          3 - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
          10 - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
          15 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
          11 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
          10 - General Omar Bradley (USA)
          15 - General George Patton (USA)
          3 - General Douglas MacArthur (USA) +


          Eliminated:
          1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
          2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
          3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
          "

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          • #50
            Originally posted by EPW View Post
            Douglas MacArthur- Planned out the entire Pacific theater strategy and was 100% successful. Yeah lets vote him off 4th
            No, definitely, exempting the japanese royal family from prosecution for crimes during the war, and granting immunity to members of Unit 731 was exemplary.
            Indifference is Bliss

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            • Egbert
              #50.1
              Egbert commented
              October 17, 2022, 04:41
              Editing a comment
              The emperor was still a god in 1945 so any attempt to prosecute him would have lead to amassive uprising in Japan. The emperor was off limits. I thought Nimitz planned the island hopping strategy for the Pacific?
          • #51
            12 - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding
            15 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany) +
            12 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
            12 - Heinz Guderian (Germany) (Generals Lutz and Guderian must share the credit blitzkreig)
            11 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
            10 - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
            3 - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
            10 - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
            15 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
            11 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
            10 - General Omar Bradley (USA)
            15 - General George Patton (USA)
            1 - General Douglas MacArthur (USA) --


            Eliminated:
            1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
            2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
            3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)

            Comment

            • #52
              12 - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding
              15 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
              12 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
              12 - Heinz Guderian (Germany) (Generals Lutz and Guderian must share the credit blitzkreig)
              11 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
              10 - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
              2 - Bernard Montgomery (UK) -1
              10 - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
              15 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
              12 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)+1
              10 - General Omar Bradley (USA)
              15 - General George Patton (USA)



              Eliminated:
              1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
              2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
              3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
              4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA) -1

              I changed my mind about keeping MacArthur in largely in reconsidering how badly he allowed his command in the Philippines to be surprised after Pearl Harbor.

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              • #53
                12 - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding
                15 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
                12 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
                12 - Heinz Guderian (Germany) (Generals Lutz and Guderian must share the credit blitzkreig)
                11 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
                10 - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
                10 - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France)
                16 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA) +1
                12 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
                10 - General Omar Bradley (USA)
                15 - General George Patton (USA)

                Eliminated:
                1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
                2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
                3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
                4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA) -1
                5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK) -2

                Monty wasn't anything special imho. Nimitz, otoh was exemplary. He did plan the island hoping strategy and was able to get it implemented over MacArthur's objections. Probably saved tens of thousands of lives in the end.
                "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                • #54
                  12 - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding
                  15 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
                  12 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
                  12 - Heinz Guderian (Germany) (Generals Lutz and Guderian must share the credit blitzkreig)
                  11 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
                  11 - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany) +
                  8 - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France) --
                  16 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
                  12 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
                  10 - General Omar Bradley (USA)
                  15 - General George Patton (USA)

                  Eliminated:
                  1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
                  2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
                  3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
                  4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
                  5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
                  Keep on Civin'
                  RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                  • #55
                    I would love for someone to defend LeClerc. I think MacAruthur did a lot of good, but also had some losses (to among others Yamash ita), and agree that Nimitz was the key general/admiral in the Pacific (Midway!).

                    12 - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding
                    15 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
                    12 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
                    12 - Heinz Guderian (Germany) (Generals Lutz and Guderian must share the credit blitzkreig)
                    11 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
                    11 - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
                    6 - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France) --
                    17 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA) +
                    12 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
                    10 - General Omar Bradley (USA)
                    15 - General George Patton (USA)

                    Eliminated:
                    1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
                    2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
                    3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
                    4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
                    5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)

                    JM
                    Jon Miller-
                    I AM.CANADIAN
                    GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                    • Egbert
                      #55.1
                      Egbert commented
                      October 18, 2022, 05:19
                      Editing a comment
                      If I understand correctly, the Americans had a very big of luck at Midway in that a flight of US aircraft arrived during a very short time that the Japanese carriers were without immediate aircover from Japanese fighters. if those American planes had arrived minutes earlier or minutes later the outcome of the battle may have been quite different.
                  • #56
                    12 - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding
                    16 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany) +
                    12 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
                    12 - Heinz Guderian (Germany) (Generals Lutz and Guderian must share the credit blitzkreig)
                    11 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
                    11 - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
                    6 - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France) --
                    17 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA) +
                    12 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
                    10 - General Omar Bradley (USA)
                    13 - General George Patton (USA) --

                    Eliminated:
                    1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
                    2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
                    3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
                    4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
                    5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)

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                    • Egbert
                      #56.1
                      Egbert commented
                      October 18, 2022, 05:52
                      Editing a comment
                      I had anticipated the last two generals would be Manstein and Model. My prediction was obviously wrong as Model is already gone. I am now guessing the last two will be Manstein and Nimitz.
                  • #57
                    12 - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding
                    14 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany) --
                    12 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
                    12 - Heinz Guderian (Germany) (Generals Lutz and Guderian must share the credit blitzkreig)
                    11 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
                    11 - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
                    6 - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France) --
                    17 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA) +
                    12 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
                    10 - General Omar Bradley (USA)
                    14 - General George Patton (USA) +

                    Eliminated:
                    1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
                    2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
                    3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
                    4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
                    5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)

                    "

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                    • #58
                      12 - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding
                      14 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
                      12 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
                      12 - Heinz Guderian (Germany) (Generals Lutz and Guderian must share the credit blitzkreig)
                      12 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR) +
                      11 - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
                      4 - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France) --
                      17 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
                      12 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
                      10 - General Omar Bradley (USA)
                      14 - General George Patton (USA)

                      Eliminated:
                      1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
                      2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
                      3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
                      4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
                      5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)

                      Comment

                      • #59
                        12 - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding
                        14 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
                        12 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
                        12 - Heinz Guderian (Germany) (Generals Lutz and Guderian must share the credit blitzkreig)
                        12 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
                        11 - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
                        2 - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France) --
                        17 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
                        12 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
                        10 - General Omar Bradley (USA)
                        15 - General George Patton (USA) +

                        Eliminated:
                        1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
                        2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
                        3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
                        4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
                        5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
                        "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                        • #60
                          12 - Air Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding
                          14 - Field Marshal Erich von Manstein (Germany)
                          12 - Emil Mannerheim (Finland)
                          13 - Heinz Guderian (Germany) (Generals Lutz and Guderian must share the credit blitzkreig) +
                          12 - General Georgi Zhukov (USSR)
                          11 - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel (Germany)
                          17 - Admiral Chester Nimitz (USA)
                          12 - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japan)
                          10 - General Omar Bradley (USA)
                          15 - General George Patton (USA) +

                          Eliminated:
                          1st - General Tomoyuki Yamash ita (Japan)
                          2nd - Field Marshal Walter Model (Germany)
                          3rd - Field Marshal Albert Kesselring (Germany)
                          4th - General Douglas MacArthur (USA)
                          5th - Bernard Montgomery (UK)
                          6th - Marshal Phillipe Leclerc (France) --
                          Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                          Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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