Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Serb]

It never ceases to amaze me how people think conflating etymology with ontology is a winning argument.

Says who? An Israeli?

[Serb]

Serb's posts often bring back memories of the Pakleds in TNG.

Like I fking care what you think, the grandson of Nazi!

[Lorizael]

Says who? An Israeli?

I'm only Israeli if you conflate ancestry with nationality and conflate the modern day state of Israel with one or another ancient Judahite kingdom/territory/polity. It's bad that Jews were exiled and then made to be outsiders everywhere they went in Europe and North Africa and elsewhere for two thousand years, but that doesn't mean the Jews of today get to just claim that territory as their own.

[giblets]

If Ukraine is actually Russia, what do we call "Russia"

[Serb]

Really?
Where do you think the Jews got the territory they have now for their state?
On what basis?
If not on claim that they were the territories of their Kingdom over 2000 years ago!

And you should pray to your God that Stalin was on your side and supported you to create the Israel.
Just like Americans shoul;d be grateful to Cathrine the Great, who supported the American revolution.

[Lorizael]

Really?
Where do you think the Jews got the territory they have now for their state?
On what basis?
If not on claim that they were the territories of their Kingdom over 2000 years ago!

Err, yeah, obviously that's why Israel is where it is today, but that doesn't mean it was right for the UN and various colonial powers to manufacture a country where a bunch of Palestinians were living.

And you should pray to your God..

I do not have a god.

[Lorizael]

If Ukraine is actually Russia, what do we call "Russia"

Big Ukraine

[Serb]

If Ukraine is actually Russia, what do we call "Russia"

Ukraine is not Russia.
The term "Ukraine" was invented and introduced by Austro-Hungrians in 1890's or something. Because the provinces of Ruthenia and Galicia were under their rule, the part of their Empire. And since those provinces were absolutely Russia nad Orthodox, they have spitted the inead that they are not Russians, but "Ukranians".
They hang anyone or throw into a concentration camps anyone who doesn't accept the idea.

Before that there was NEVER ANY UKRAINE! PERIOD!

The lands now know as Ukraine are historical Russian lands since 10th century and the gifts of Russian tzars and bolshevicks.



It is an artificial and failed state, which never existed before!
(except of the few years of the short period of the Russian revolution, and even then the absolute majority of Ukraine was Soviet and ended-up as one of the four co-founders of the Soviet Union).
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[Serb]

They have always been a part of Russia (and some tiny Western parts being the parts of Poland and Austro-Hungary)

[Serb]

The "Original Ukraine" is in Red, they have freewilingly joined Russia in 1654 via the Pereslav rada, seeking for protection from Poland

The rest of a modern Ukranian territory is a "gift" from Russian Tzars and Soviets.

Populated by RUSSIANS FOR CENTURIES!!!

IDIOTS!!!

[Serb]

You don't know a single sh!t about the issue, but still honestly think you are right about every aspect!

A freaking ignorant imbeciles!

[Serb]

Err, yeah, obviously that's why Israel is where it is today, but that doesn't mean it was right for the UN and various colonial powers to manufacture a country where a bunch of Palestinians were living.

The land of Israel have been abandoned a long time ago before any colonialism. And the state of Israel was reestablished only thanks to Joseph Stalin - that is a historical fact.
But at the same time you consider your claims on the land of Israel as valid, despite 2000 years passed, while refuse Russians for the same claim despite only 33 years have passed.

So, who the hell are you, if not a double-talking liar?​

​I do not have a god.

Your bad!

[Lorizael]

But at the same time you consider your claims on the land of Israel as valid, despite 2000 years passed...

?? No. (1) I have no claims on the land of Israel. (2) The claims Jews made as part of the effort to create a modern state of Israel were not "valid." No place "really" belongs to X group, no land is Y group's "true" homeland. We all are where we are and we have to make the best of it.

[Serb]

Big Ukraine

Cooko!!!

Kiev was the capital of Russia from the begining in 10th century.
"THE MOTHER OF ALL RUSSIAN CITIES" if we go to the chronicles.

Such term as "Ukraine" didn't exist before the late 19th century!

Only an idiot can call Russia, back then known as "Rus" a "big Ukraine", considering that Russia existed (according to chronicles since 9th century with the capital in Kiev), while such thing as "Ukraine" (Ukranian Peoples Republic) as a sovereign state existed only between 1917-1918 and occupied only a tiny portion of the modern Ukraine (then being defeated by the Soviet Ukraine who among four other Soviet Republics have established the Soviet Union in 1922).
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[Lorizael]

Hmm, good point. Maybe we should call Ukraine Russia and Russia East Russia.