Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Serb]

Serb the number of NATO troops in Ukraine is tiny fraction of the number of Soviet troops that were in Korea during the Korean war or in Vietnam during the Vietnam war.

Who told you that?!

NATO can almost get by just fine without a single deployment to Ukraine thanks to 8 waves of Ukrainian mobilization, large numbers of volunteers, and ample facilities to train them in nearby NATO countries.

Ukraine provides cannon fodder, you provide hardware.

Period.

I have no idea why, on the other hand, Russia kept getting caught with active duty soldiers and equipment on the wrong side of the frontier.

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[Serb]

As far for now, it is Ukranians who are dying for their clown Zelensky, not Russians.

[Geronimo]

Of course it's their business, Azov spent 8 years shelling the Donbas driving millions from their homes with many fleeing to Russia. Either you believe the people of the Donbas have the right to be left alone or you believe neo-Nazis have the moral authority to kill them for rejecting their right wing coup. If Trump actually seized power in a coup and sent a neo-Nazi army to attack Oregonians for 8 years because they refused to recognize his authority would you support Trump?

There is no universe where the people in the Donbas are "left alone" by the special operation. Regardless of what a rogue president did anywhere a justification for another state to annex territory from the rogue president's state, especially under threat of use of WMD by the other state will never occur. In a scenario like that I'd want the separatists to surrender to the "nazis" and join them in repelling the WMD foreign state whether I lived there or if it was anyplace at all really.

Are you really saying that allowing prolonged separatist conflict to serve as an excuse for other countries to annex parts of the separatist areas would not be enormously destabilizing? That wouldn't invite hundreds of new conflicts and endless bloodshed? If it looks like having nukes is the price of admission for that behavior won't everybody need nukes to participate or to avoid it? That's OK Berz?

[BeBMan]

Meanwhile Putin admitted that Biden revealed that Medvedev said he and Zelensky agreed that Macron and Xi talked about Scholz who noted that Duda called Stoltenberg who phoned Schoigu when Peskov announced a prisoner swap where US journalist Gershkovich is released in exchange for Putin turning himself in to The Hague.

[Dinner]

After the USSR fell the west agreed not to push Nato weaponry into E Germany, but E Germany didn't spend 8 years in a proxy war on Russia's border. It took 8 years of war in the Donbas to get us here, did Russia 'like' that? We did.

Funny how no one there remembers that on either side. It was as only a decade later that Putin invented that lie. I guess a sucker is born every minute because you believed his B.S..

[Berzerker]

Of course it's their business, Azov spent 8 years shelling the Donbas driving millions from their homes with many fleeing to Russia. Either you believe the people of the Donbas have the right to be left alone or you believe neo-Nazis have the moral authority to kill them for rejecting their right wing coup. If Trump actually seized power in a coup and sent a neo-Nazi army to attack Oregonians for 8 years because they refused to recognize his authority would you support Trump?

[Geronimo]

After the USSR fell the west agreed not to push Nato weaponry into E Germany, but E Germany didn't spend 8 years in a proxy war on Russia's border. It took 8 years of war in the Donbas to get us here, did Russia 'like' that? We did.

It's none of Russia's business. This is like Grenada under Reagan when Washington would invade because an unfriendly leftist revolutionary coup tried to ally Grenada with Washington's enemies. Did you think that was just peachy Berz? Did Washington have a right to do that? What if Reagon had waited until a subsequent election replaced the leftist usurpers and then invaded to depose the new elected government multiple elections after the coup? Better? How about if after waiting for multiple elections to invade Reagon also annexed Grenada and rounded up all the children of the leftists and sent them to be adopted into US families? Is it getting better?

Russia is pulling the same heavy handed arrogant **** that you hated the US doing in the 80's. Why are you Okay with that?

[Berzerker]

Do you think Russia will let Ukraine join Nato or re-arm after all this? The possible is a few months away.

[Berzerker]

Since when has any country had to be demilitarized? Even East and West Germany got capable modern militaries and after invading Iran and Kuwait and getting smacked with regime change Iraq and post Taliban Afghanistan got militaries. Where the hell does Russia get the right to have demilitarized neighbors? Especially neighbors it likes to annex land from?

After the USSR fell the west agreed not to push Nato weaponry into E Germany, but E Germany didn't spend 8 years in a proxy war on Russia's border. It took 8 years of war in the Donbas to get us here, did Russia 'like' that? We did.

[Uncle Sparky]

I'm sure the Russian army will provide security for Ukraine after demilitarization... just like the US did in Japan.

[Uncle Sparky]

Japan after WW2 had to demilitarize... The two are the same thing for Berz and his types. When Mexico attacks the US to regain its occupied territories and avenge the way Hispanics are treated in the southern states, Berz and his kind will be 100% behind them.

[PLATO]

Since when has any country had to be demilitarized? Even East and West Germany got capable modern militaries and after invading Iran and Kuwait and getting smacked with regime change Iraq and post Taliban Afghanistan got militaries. Where the hell does Russia get the right to have demilitarized neighbors? Especially neighbors it likes to annex land from?

In "Berzworld" anything is possible.

[Geronimo]

No, that was never the goal. I was addressing the people who said this was about protecting Europe. The goal was a quick war and peace deal granting the east autonomy/independence with a Ukrainian commitment to neutrality. That failed when the Russian army advancing on Kiev was pulled back to deal with the war in the east, but that will be the end result. Eastern Ukraine will vote on their future and Kiev will be largely demilitarized.

Since when has any country had to be demilitarized? Even East and West Germany got capable modern militaries and after invading Iran and Kuwait and getting smacked with regime change Iraq and post Taliban Afghanistan got militaries. Where the hell does Russia get the right to have demilitarized neighbors? Especially neighbors it likes to annex land from?

[BeBMan]

IIRC that guy also sez Putin requires everyone to got into quarantine before visiting him. My take is if Putin would get hugged more this war wouldn't have happened, but those quarantine rules prevent that anybody comes close enough to hug him

[Broken_Erika]

An article from the CBC

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-defector-putin-security-officer-1.6802984