Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Ming]

Nazis invaded the Donbas for 8 years with US support and Russia defended the victims

Uhhhhh... where is the Donbas... oh, that's right, it's in UKRAINE
Once again, if Texans treat Mexicans in Texas bad, does that give Mexico the right to INVADE Texas?

[BeBMan]

Acc. to the Oryx website Russian tank losses have crossed the 2000er mark. Otoh there's also now one entry for a Leopard 2A4 loss on the Ukrainian side.

[N35t0r]

if Russia rescued flood victims they'd be accused of a war crime

Only if they forcibly take them back to Russia.

They could also stop trying to shell rescue efforts if they are that worried about being accused of war crimes

[Berzerker]

if Russia rescued flood victims they'd be accused of a war crime

[Berzerker]

That was 3 months before Russia retreated from Kherson and started building a new fortified front on the east side of the river. Maybe the dam was a back up plan if Ukraine attacked east from Kherson. Thats about the only motive I can see but it fails too, there was no Ukrainian advance to flood.

[Broken_Erika]

There were reports of Russia packing that dam with explosives last august.

[Berzerker]

Russia's being accused of blowing up a dam that will result in crop failures in territory they control, so why wouldn't Russia blow the dams under Ukrainian control?

[Geronimo]

You said Ukraine would contest the dam and remove the charges - the dam was mined and I said neither side needed the mines to blow the dam (charges = mines). The dams in Ukrainian territory are intact, they have water for crops. Why wouldn't Russia destroy the dams watering Ukrainian territory? Maybe the dam just collapsed, it had been getting damaged during earlier battles. The Russian general withdrew from Kherson because he was worried about the dam. I'm sure he was worried about bridges too, but the bridge over the dam is not near Kherson.

Because the primary motivation for either party to destroy the dam will be military considerations...not enemy crop failures.

[Dinner]

Lies.

[Berzerker]

The Nazis INVADED other countries and tried to take what wasn't theirs.
Russia is doing the exact same thing. And much of the world has united to stop them.

The Russian INVASION is not about keeping people from harm. It's a land grab pure and simple. And anybody that gets in their way is a target, including civilians and children.
They are the ones that started this war by crossing the boarder of another country in an attempt to add the land to their empire.

Nazis invaded the Donbas for 8 years with US support and Russia defended the victims

[Berzerker]

No dumbass, the mines I refer to are the ones Russia laid all over along their defenses, which are now washed all over the place. The dam was most probably blown by internally placed explosives (and guess who had control of the dam? Russia)



Ukrainan special forces were harassing russian troops, but it's impossible for Ukraine to mount a large scale offensive through the river without bridges, and the two crossings (the bridge over the dam and the bridge by kherson) were blown up by the Russians when they retreated from the west bank.


No, they withdrew from fear of the bridges being blown (one of which crossed over the dam), and thus losing their ability of getting supplies.


There was more flooding than just the fortifications. There is also videos of Ukrainians rescuing stranded people from the flood.


There have been major movements of troops from occupied Kherson oblast to the east at least since Wagner was scheduled to withdraw from Bakhmut, but especially since the Ukrainian counterattack against its flanks started; and also to Belgorod since Russian separatists have been wreaking havoc there.



There was more water released upriver because the river is at it's high in this season. If this had been an extraordinary release on Ukraine's part, then the reservoirs upriver should be lower than expected, instead they are at their annual maximums. The russians should have opened more floodgates to avoid the high level in the reservoir, but didn't.



How dumb are you? The reservoir also waters 31 different irrigation systems in the Ukraine, supplying water to 5840 km² of Ukrainian cropland (in comparison, Crimea has ~1700 km² of total agricultural land, of which less than 1300 km² is cropland). Around $1.5B of Ukrainian agricultural output is in jeopardy, as well as ~$280M of dead fish and other animals.

You seriously think that Ukraine would happily inflict all this damage to their own economy, but Russia wouldn't because of crimean crops?

You said Ukraine would contest the dam and remove the charges - the dam was mined and I said neither side needed the mines to blow the dam (charges = mines). The dams in Ukrainian territory are intact, they have water for crops. Why wouldn't Russia destroy the dams watering Ukrainian territory? Maybe the dam just collapsed, it had been getting damaged during earlier battles. The Russian general withdrew from Kherson because he was worried about the dam. I'm sure he was worried about bridges too, but the bridge over the dam is not near Kherson.

[pchang]

That is the only part of war Russians are good at. Which makes sense, since they are basically a Kleptocracy.

[Berzerker]

Trust what you want, but the Guardian is propaganda

[N35t0r]

https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1666782631768236032

Ukrainians trying to rescue flooded Ukrainians getting shot at by Russian artillery.

Russians certainly don't seem to care about war crimes...

[BlackCat]

Some interesting thoughts about the dam