Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Berzerker]

Hmmm... so that gave Russia the right to invade a foreign nation, and then march on their capital while killing civilians along the way and targeting areas not in Donbas.
Just more crap. They had NO RIGHT to invade another country just so they could increase their land and resources.
They obviously didn't give a damn about the people in Donbas since they raped and killed them.
But feel free to continue to justify Russian aggression while trying to call it HELP

So Russia is wrong to invade Ukraine to defend the Donbas but Azov was right to invade the Donbas to defend... um... Who are they defending again? I dont know why you think an imaginary line called a country matters when it comes down to basic human rights. The US was founded on the rights to secede and self defense and the Donbas have both. Kiev and Washington have no moral authority to compel those people to live under Azov's penchant for cultural cleansing. A sad little reality awaiting a Ukrainian victory, millions of people subject to a decade of war will be ruled by the people attacking them.

Eastern Ukrainians rejected a right wing coup and got attacked by Nazis for 8 years. During that time eastern Ukrainians made repeated requests to Moscow for help and got it, including 2 military interventions in 2014-15 leading to Minsk. Why did Putin wait 8 years or support Minsk if stealing land was his goal? The USA currently occupies about 1/3rd of Syria rich with oil and food. People in Russia watched a right wing coup across the border followed by a purge of dissenters by Nazis. Of course Russians wanted their kin in eastern Ukraine defended from Azov, they must have been demanding Putin help them.

I think its real simple, let the people living there vote on their future. Judging by the Minsk votes a small majority could still support a semi-autonomous union within Ukraine, but Russia wants more than that. They want Ukrainian neutrality, no Nato, no Azov, demilitarization. The US wants regime change in Moscow and the further disintegration of Russia for resources and to weaken China. Hasn't worked, Brandon has pissed off so many countries China has become very popular and the dollar is in trouble.

[Ming]

No... your argument is that Russia is in the right attacking another nation, killing and raping their citizens and trying to grab as much land for themselves as possible. And that is just so totally wrong.

[Berzerker]

2014, Geronimo posted the request from the Donbas for help from Moscow.

[Berzerker]

Most of Azov were from the Donbas. WTH were they supposed to "withdraw" to? A plurality of people in the Donbas have never voted for independence from Ukraine. A decisive plurality did vote for Ukrainian independence from the USSR however. Minsk being a sham is a good reason for Russia to withdraw from Ukraine. If we sent a Nazi army to kill eastern Ukrainians why did they suck so bad at it? 8 years of Ukrainian nazi armies targeting civilians with all of the ammunition they had at their disposal and Russia still managed to kill more Eastern Ukrainians living in the Donbas in 8 months than Ukraine could manage in 8 years. I guess Russia is better at sending nazi armies to accomplish these kinds of things. Maybe Washington is taking notes for the next time they are lining up a nazi army to kill civilians for not supporting their coups?

Their base was Mariupol and a majority (~55%?) of the Donbas voted for Minsk and another 30-35% wanted independence. That leaves at best 15% support for Kiev. The vote you're citing was in the early 90s, not after the 2014 coup and attack by Azov. If the Nazis sucked so bad the Donbas wouldn't have asked Moscow for help, but they were efficient and millions fled their homes and Putin intervened militarily twice to halt Azov's advances. So basically your argument is Russia is wrong for helping the Donbas defend against Nazis because civilians are killed in the war started by Nazis.

[Berzerker]

I dont know... Kiev was the aggressor against the Donbas, Nazis attacked the people there protesting the coup. Nothing about 'democracy' and little green men can change that fact.

https://youtu.be/pgj3p2jIVtI

Former Kiev diplomat on the coup and how western corruption is destroying Ukraine. At 49m in he says Shokin had opened 2 cases into Burisma, Democrats claimed Biden fired him for not investigating Burisma. Yeah, Biden was so mad Shokin wouldn't investigate Hunter's company he used a billion $ bribe to get him fired. Democrats actually made that argument. Those cases were closed after Shokin was gone and Ukrainian law had to be changed specifically for the replacement because he didn't have the required legal training lol.

[Geronimo]

The separatists are civilians and they reflected the will of the people repeatedly shown by their support for Minsk and independence. They didn't want their culture cleansed from society by the mass murderers behind the coup. Zelensky told Azov Minsk required them to leave and they refused while western leaders admitted Minsk was a sham. We sent a Nazi army to kill eastern Ukrainians while accusing our victims of aggression.

Most of Azov were from the Donbas. WTH were they supposed to "withdraw" to? A plurality of people in the Donbas have never voted for independence from Ukraine. A decisive plurality did vote for Ukrainian independence from the USSR however. Minsk being a sham is a good reason for Russia to withdraw from Ukraine. If we sent a Nazi army to kill eastern Ukrainians why did they suck so bad at it? 8 years of Ukrainian nazi armies targeting civilians with all of the ammunition they had at their disposal and Russia still managed to kill more Eastern Ukrainians living in the Donbas in 8 months than Ukraine could manage in 8 years. I guess Russia is better at sending nazi armies to accomplish these kinds of things. Maybe Washington is taking notes for the next time they are lining up a nazi army to kill civilians for not supporting their coups?

[Ming]

Terrorists overthrowing the authority of legitimate govts is the CIAs calling card, "Coups R Us"

They murdered over 100 people to chase the democratically elected leader out of office and the aggressor nation

And how many civilians have been killed and raped now.
And when was Ukraine the aggressor nation against Russia? Did they attack Russia? Last time I checked, the last invasion was Russia grabbing land from the Ukraine. The aggressor nation here is very clear. RUSSIA.

[Ming]

The people of the Donbas were attacked by Nazis and they asked Russia for help

Hmmm... so that gave Russia the right to invade a foreign nation, and then march on their capital while killing civilians along the way and targeting areas not in Donbas.
Just more crap. They had NO RIGHT to invade another country just so they could increase their land and resources.
They obviously didn't give a damn about the people in Donbas since they raped and killed them.
But feel free to continue to justify Russian aggression while trying to call it HELP

[Berzerker]

Yes...I believe that was June 1941 or so when the attack started. Of course your comment has ZERO relevance to today's situation. Terrorist tried to overthrow the authority of a legitimate government and an Aggressor Nation paid mercenaries to help. When the free people of Ukraine tried to defend their internationally recognized territory (confirmed by treaties with said Aggressor Nation), the aggressors invaded and have killed thousands, committed verifiable war crimes against the people of Ukraine, and destroyed billions of dollars worth of infrastructure. The true nature of which even some of their military and mercenary commanders acknowledge...nothing but a land grab for their egos.

It is truly sad that you support these vile criminals with their wicked propaganda.

Terrorists overthrowing the authority of legitimate govts is the CIAs calling card, "Coups R Us"

They murdered over 100 people to chase the democratically elected leader out of office and the aggressor nation - the USA - armed and paid Azov et al to attack protesters for 8 years. I dont think their treaty allowed for a proxy war on Russia's border, but Minsk would have ended the war if the USA actually wanted it to end. I dont think the people of the Donbas are vile criminals with wicked propaganda, the evidence shows Kiev sent Nazis to attack them. I dont want to arm the Nazis and I support their victims. Russia is irrelevant to establishing the moral high ground between Nazis and protesters.

[PLATO]

The people of the Donbas were attacked by Nazis and they asked Russia for help

Yes...I believe that was June 1941 or so when the attack started. Of course your comment has ZERO relevance to today's situation. Terrorist tried to overthrow the authority of a legitimate government and an Aggressor Nation paid mercenaries to help. When the free people of Ukraine tried to defend their internationally recognized territory (confirmed by treaties with said Aggressor Nation), the aggressors invaded and have killed thousands, committed verifiable war crimes against the people of Ukraine, and destroyed billions of dollars worth of infrastructure. The true nature of which even some of their military and mercenary commanders acknowledge...nothing but a land grab for their egos.

It is truly sad that you support these vile criminals with their wicked propaganda.

[Berzerker]

The people of the Donbas were attacked by Nazis and they asked Russia for help

[Berzerker]

Both... The reason Russia aint concerned with the Baltic states joining Nato is because how easily they can be cut off. Neither Finland or Sweden will militarize the border or wage proxy wars, Nato has been doing that in Ukraine for nearly a decade now. A Nato lake lol, we blew up their pipeline and they could sink any and every ship. Cant hide them on that lake.

[Ming]

There was NO THREAT to Russia. It was the other way around, and gee, look what happened, Russia attacked.
And it hasn't worked out very well since more countries now want to join and almost all NATO countries have increased their military budgets. And all Russia has gotten is more dead civilians in an area they "claimed" they were protecting, and a huge loss of troops, arms, and sanctions.

[Berzerker]

Why?

Nato/Azov militarizing the Russian border in Ukraine is the threat, not Sweden and Finland.

[Berzerker]

Ukraine did end the war in donbas. Then, civilians living in the donbas were attacked over and over by the Separatists. It only takes one party to keep a war going berz. The separatists never stopped trying to conquer more territory.

The separatists are civilians and they reflected the will of the people repeatedly shown by their support for Minsk and independence. They didn't want their culture cleansed from society by the mass murderers behind the coup. Zelensky told Azov Minsk required them to leave and they refused while western leaders admitted Minsk was a sham. We sent a Nazi army to kill eastern Ukrainians while accusing our victims of aggression.