Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Uncle Sparky]

Kiev is a fairly short drive from the Belarus border. Could the revolt have been a ruse?

[Geronimo]

I thought Lukashenko was Russia's puppet. Now he looks like the only guy who gained something out of this charade

Both Putin and Prigo-Man flipflopped.

If a second front now opens from Belarus I'll return to viewing him as a puppet.

[BeBMan]

I thought Lukashenko was Russia's puppet. Now he looks like the only guy who gained something out of this charade

Both Putin and Prigo-Man flipflopped.

[Proteus_MST]

Wrong Thfread

[BlackCat]

I guess at some point it will be revealed how it's all organized by Biden. He did it first 1917...

Nah, he already did it back in 1905 when he forced the japanese to destroy the russian fleet

[BeBMan]

I guess at some point it will be revealed how it's all organized by Biden. He did it first 1917...

[The Mad Monk]

According to some reports, Wagner forces have taken Rostov and are now within 300 miles of Moscow.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/rostov/moscow/@51.8677521,38.1383834,7.75z/data=!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x40e3c777c3b4b6ef:0x8248b451e48b4d04!2m2!1d39.701505!2d47.2357137!1m5!1m1!1s0x46b54afc73d4b0c9:0x3d44d6cc5757cf4c!2m2!1d37.6172999!2d55.755826?entry=ttu

If you check the Google Maps link, above (assuming it works), you can see how far that means Wagner has been able to move in the past eight-ish hours; pretty damn fast. The little red circles you see are "road closures".

[Thoth]

"Special Mutiny Operation "

Perfect.

[Geronimo]

Not sure how I missed this on the 21st. Maybe this could even explain the possible implosion of support for Putin that might be unfolding before our eyes?

https://www.dw.com/en/china-imposes-limits-on-russian-banks/a-65968580

China participating in any way in the sanctions must've been seen as a very harsh portent in Kremlin circles of power.

[Geronimo]

X-D

[BeBMan]

For now I'm using the term Special Mutiny Operation

[BlackCat]

I find it quite interesting that yahoo has chosen to place that in the entertainment section

[The Mad Monk]

Given what Wagner and the Russian MoD has been saying and doing, Wagner is moving on Moscow right now, with little resistance. It's already beyond a resistance movement.

Putin Admits He’s Facing ‘Armed Mutiny’ as Prigozhin Advances on Moscow

Josh Fiallo, Nico Hines, Allison Quinn
Fri, June 23, 2023 at 2:43 PM PDT·6 min read

Vladimir Putin made an extraordinary address to the nation on Saturday morning admitting that he was facing an “armed mutiny” led by former confidante Yevgeny Prigozhin and his Wagner mercenaries.

In a five-minute speech that was pre-recorded and then broadcast to a disbelieving nation, the president conceded that the insurrection meant his regime was up against “the toughest battle for its future.”

Before the speech played out, Wagner mercenaries were seen descending with no resistance on Rostov-on-Don, Russia’s southern military HQ, which has been co-ordinating the invasion of Ukraine. Once inside the key command center, Prigozhin recorded a message saying it was under his control.

This insurrection, which began after Prigozhin claimed his men had been struck by a missile fired by the Russian military, is the clearest threat to Putin’s power since he assumed the presidency in 2000.

Putin said he had already issued the order for the military to respond to the organizers of the uprising with “harsh measures.”

“All those who deliberately set out on the path of betrayal will suffer inevitable punishment,” he said.

And yet, there was no sign of the Russian military standing up to Wagner in defense of their president.

Britain’s Defence Intelligence agency said Wagner units were moving north through Vorenezh Oblast in the direction of Moscow. “With very limited evidence of fighting between Wagner and Russian security forces some have likely remained passive, acquiescing to Wagner,” the intel report said. “This represents the most significant challenge to the Russian state in recent times.”

For the first time since the splits between Wagner and the Russian Defense Ministry bubbled to the surface, Prigozhin called out Putin directly on Saturday.

Responding to the president’s address, he shot down the Kremlin’s authority.

“No one is going to turn himself in at the request of the president, the FSB or someone else, no one wants to continue to live in corruption and deceit,” he said. “Those who oppose us are those who have gathered around the scum.”

The scale of the fear within Moscow’s elite was captured by the Kremlin’s number one propagandist Vladimir Solovyov who recorded a video of himself racing back to Russia from Ukraine. “I wasn’t expecting to live to see this kind of thing. Our country is at war,” he said.

Looking for historical parallels, he cited the revolt which led to Russia’s 1917 revolution and Mussolini’s successful coup d’état, the March on Rome.

“Are we really going to allow civil strife now and lose our country?” he asked. “There is nothing more frightening than civil war.”

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/feud-between-moscow-wagner-group-214329810.html

Plenty more after the link.

[BeBMan]

I'm sure Berz' sources will correct Prigozhin in due time.

[BeBMan]

Lol, I missed a whole lot of things it seems. Is Wagner a resistance movement now?

Off to buy popcorn!