Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Dinner]

I would bet money Russia did the fake drone attack. At least some faction inside Russia. It was extremely minor so it could have been a home made symbolic stunt.

[Geronimo]

I'm surprised it aint blocking everyone's view

The moral high ground is not a geographic location and visible from around the world. If you lived in the Donbas in 2014 when the man you elected was driven from office by a right wing coup and Azov showed up to shell your town would you join them in their righteous cause?

I would not recognize seceeding from Ukraine as any kind of moral high ground in response to the coup. I would recognize the paramilitaries seizing public buildings and seceeding in my and my neighbor's names in response to the coup as the problem. I would not regard the Ukrainian coup headed government paramilitaries that were sent to fight the separatist paramilitaries as the problem. I would certainly regard the Russian FSB carpetbaggers who took over the separatist leadership as a problem as well.

Maybe it's not the donbas but your hatred if neocons and their agendas that is really blocking your view?

[BeBMan]

Many armchair generals may disagree on this, but hey, the guy is a army guy that specialize in the subject so he may have a point.

There doesn't seem to be much coverage in Russia about this, and it makes Ukraine look strong:

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-patriot-kinzhal-6b59af8e60853b4d6d16dd8d607768be

[BlackCat]

There doesn't seem to be much coverage in Russia about this, and it makes Ukraine look strong:

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-patriot-kinzhal-6b59af8e60853b4d6d16dd8d607768be

Perun has a nice little video about these thingies.

[pchang]

Wagner says they got more ammo, so they are staying.

[Dinner]

LOL! That is twice he did that now.

[Thoth]

Most of what comes out of Prigozin's mouth is posturing and noise and shouldn't be taken at face value.

[Uncle Sparky]

The President of Ukraine was at the International Criminal Court in The Hague. Right in the building making a case against Russia... Putin needs to go there to set the record straight. Under oath. In a glass booth for his safety.

[BeBMan]

Wondering if it's still worth reading Tolstoy's "Special Military Operation and Peace"

[Dinner]

The book was great but took forever to read. I spent a good amount of 2000 in Kosovo reading it in-between doing my duties with the peace keeping force KFOR. Actually well written in a way you never could have done during the communist period so, yes, the Tsars were better than the Soviets. Communists are always evil repressive ****s.

[PLATO]

1.) Prigozhin whines about ammunition
2.) Drone explodes over Kremlin
3.) Ammunition promised

Gotta love Russian Politics....

[Berzerker]

I would not recognize seceeding from Ukraine as any kind of moral high ground in response to the coup. I would recognize the paramilitaries seizing public buildings and seceeding in my and my neighbor's names in response to the coup as the problem. I would not regard the Ukrainian coup headed government paramilitaries that were sent to fight the separatist paramilitaries as the problem. I would certainly regard the Russian FSB carpetbaggers who took over the separatist leadership as a problem as well.

Maybe it's not the donbas but your hatred if neocons and their agendas that is really blocking your view?

Right wing nationalists intent on culturally cleansing society of diversity kill a bunch of people to topple the man you elected and they show up to shell your town and you dont have a problem with them? Say it aint so... Since you've blamed your neighbors would you join Azov when they showed up? You are blaming your neighbors, right? You act as if they supported the coup and were replaced by Russian pod people.

The people of the Donbas supported Minsk, they supported more autonomy. Considering the nature of Azov and their allied nationalists a 'free' Donbas would have been a sanctuary for Ukrainians fleeing persecution. Yeah, thats the moral high ground. And I dont think you'd react to that by blaming your neighbors. I think you would have called for peace and agreed to support Minsk or some variation. The people behind the coup are responsible, not their victims, not your neighbors.

[PLATO]

What is so hard to understand about an elected parliament voting to impeach an authoritarian President is not a coup?

Yes...there was a protest...yes it got violent in some but not all cases. That happens a lot. That did not oust the President. Parliament, acting under their constitutional authority, ousted the President.

Citizens in Donbass rebelled against the legitimate government after meeting with Russian diplomats. The legitimate government sent troops to quell an insurrection on their sovereign territory. That should have been the end of it.

Then you have "little green men" starting to appear everywhere and THEN people really began to die.

Conspiracy theories and root cause actions are easy to speculate about and twist evidence to meet desired "facts", but the record is clear. The elected representatives of Ukraine, acting under the will of the majority of the people and the Constitution of Ukraine, replaced their President.

Putin was butt hurt they didn't love him so he decided to kill or rule them. Pretty clear how pissed he was when you see them executing people in the street and bombing apartment buildings.

It is ridiculous to keep spouting off about moronic Russian propaganda as if it was truth.

Putin is a murderer, a megalomaniac, and a wanted war criminal. Those are the realities.

[Broken_Erika]

1/ Rampant corruption is reported to have rendered Russia's ballistic missile early warning system virtually useless. Scams by contractors are said to have led to unsuitable foreign-made components being used on a wide scale.​

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1655449330021433347

[pchang]

Lucky for them, no one wants to nuke them.

[Geronimo]

The Russian early warning system must be reliable. If they feel blind the odds of Russia launching a full nuclear exchange increase dramatically. If necessary China should repair or replace the early warning system to get it reliable again.