Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[pchang]

I think Lavrov may have just declared war. I guess there is no point in holding back now.

[Berzerker]

should they get their way to protect democracy?

[Ming]

and a minority of Americans are against abortion

[Berzerker]

a minority of Americans support the war in Ukraine...to protect democracy

[Geronimo]

Back to the war at hand...

Ukrainian armor has been geolocated behind the third and final line of defense near Verbove. If the gap is wide enough, we may start to see some major armor action just in time for the Abrams arriving next week. The Russian army, though still mighty, is beginning to teeter a bit.

IIRC, these are export Abrams possibly inferior even to the leopards and challengers they've already deployed so I suspect the Abrams will have very little significance.

[PLATO]

I stand corrected and Thank You for the clarification.

[N35t0r]

Back to the war at hand...

Ukrainian armor has been geolocated behind the third and final line of defense near Verbove. If the gap is wide enough, we may start to see some major armor action just in time for the Abrams arriving next week. The Russian army, though still mighty, is beginning to teeter a bit.

It's not the third line, it's the third 'layer' of the fist line.

[N35t0r]

No, before WWII the Russians were arming the Nazis so that they would invade western Europe.

After Barbarossa, the USA started arming the Nazis so that they would kill Russians instead. Otherwise why would the Nazis collapse just at the same time weapons shipments to Europe went down enormously?

[PLATO]

Back to the war at hand...

Ukrainian armor has been geolocated behind the third and final line of defense near Verbove. If the gap is wide enough, we may start to see some major armor action just in time for the Abrams arriving next week. The Russian army, though still mighty, is beginning to teeter a bit.

[Berzerker]

they were doing that before wwii

[N35t0r]

No, that's what the MSM want you to think. Otherwise why would the Nazis collapse just when weapon shipments to Europe started winding down? Clearly Washington was arming the Nazis just to kill Russians.

[Berzerker]

The destruction of ISIS was always meant to be, they were our proxy force. Their purpose was to destroy Syria enough for the Assad regime to throw in the towel. Trump shut off the arms and they imploded. Can you rephrase those questions?

[Berzerker]

We were sending weapons/materials to Russia so they could kill Nazis back then. After WWII we started funding/arming the Banderites as part of our cold war. We have somewhat of a bipolar relationship with Nazis that Russians just cant appreciate. I guess losing 25m people to them left a dent in the Russian psyche.

[N35t0r]

In December 2017, Max Abrahms of the Council on Foreign Relations and John Glaser of the Cato Institute observed in the Los Angeles Times that "[ISIL] imploded right after external support for the 'moderate' rebels dried up,"

Imagine that, ISIL collapsed when Trump stopped arming Obama's moderate rebels. We were running guns in and out of Ukraine before Russia reacted to the coup. I can tell what the people in these regions wanted just by looking at the direction they pointed their guns. They were shooting at the Nazi army Washington and Kiev sent to attack them, the Russian army didn't defend them until later in 2014 and that led to the Minsk Accords.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore

There were millions of people in the Donbas who rejected the coup and we armed Nazis to kill them. Marcia Marcia Marcia doesn't even enter the picture.

The Nazis were defeated just as troop and weapon shipments to Europe started dwindling. All those weapons the US was producing were being sent to the Nazis so that they could kill Russians! The US is responsible for WWII! It's all so clear now!

[BeBMan]

So Andriivka, about 8 miles south of Bakhmut seems to be liberated. ​

They liked it so much that they promptly took another one:

Ukraine 'breaks through Russian defense line' near Bakhmut – commander


Ukrainian troops have broken through a Russian defensive line south of Bakhmut, the commander of Ukraine's ground forces, General Oleksandr Syrskyi, said on Monday.

"Fierce fighting continues in the area of Bakhmut," he said. "As a result of the successful actions of our troops, the enemy's defense line which runs [south] from Bakhmut to Gorlivka was broken."

After Ukrainian forces retook the small villages of Andriivka and Klishchiivka over the weekend, the localized breakthrough represents a third small success south of Bakhmut ahead of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's United Nations address in New York this week.

General Syrskyi claimed that the Russian army's 72nd, 31st and 83rd brigades had been "destroyed and have completely lost their capacity to fight." He cautioned however that "the general situation on the eastern front remains complicated."

Speaking to DW, French political expert and former NATO director of policy planning Fabrice Pothier commented on the retaking of Andriivka and Klishchiivka, suggesting that they may be more important symbolically than tactically.

"Being on higher ground, this could give the Ukrainian forces the upper hand in putting pressure on the Russians in Bakhmut to the point where they will possibly have to withdraw from the city," he said.

"Clearly, the Ukrainians have chosen Bakhmut as a place to pin down Russian forces, and a potential retaking of Bakhmut could have a huge psychological effect, even on the Russian leadership, who themselves have made Bakhmut into the 'mother of all battles,' he continued.

"So, the symbolic value should not be understated. As for the tactical value, I'd prefer to leave that to the Ukrainians. That will be up for debate come the end of the war."
​

Overall these are small gain still. But maybe we still see some good Russian running, like last year.

https://p.dw.com/p/4WUAE