Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[BeBMan]

Just came across this:

https://news.yahoo.com/chinas-ambassador-calls-declaration-no-101359500.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADrOWHc0msLxTcnHqYOMaDE51PoXoLs2gWzU4BCd3QvfNfdjRXSUmMzC_-osdv6y7kRRNFnTfuBlldmOwo15DWh8ljxVEVZLQ_cYtQ6_1RrXi0v-L94Bp7LTwy6ypQjzjSVFXO85q0s2U_S44rWHJvA9U_Xv3pu0W0JTwPY9UWCp

[Berzerker]

Global warming might have saved Ukraine over the winter, it didn't get cold enough to freeze the ground. From what I hear it'll be over soon after the ground dries enough for heavy machinery. Zelensky is warning Bakhmut could fall and implying Ukraine will be done when it does. I'm surprised they're lasting this long, I'd say the mission was accomplished. Putin wont be conquering Europe any time soon.

[pchang]

So, are you saying Putin will be conquering Ukraine soon?

[Berzerker]

No, that was never the goal. I was addressing the people who said this was about protecting Europe. The goal was a quick war and peace deal granting the east autonomy/independence with a Ukrainian commitment to neutrality. That failed when the Russian army advancing on Kiev was pulled back to deal with the war in the east, but that will be the end result. Eastern Ukraine will vote on their future and Kiev will be largely demilitarized.

[Dinner]

More likely the occupied territories will be retaken, as the Russian army retreats collaborators and people who support the Putin regime will flee with them, then the people who remain will mostly be pro-Ukraine.

It is possible that Russia out lasts Ukraine and western help dries up but we shall see.

[Broken_Erika]

An article from the CBC

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-defector-putin-security-officer-1.6802984

[BeBMan]

IIRC that guy also sez Putin requires everyone to got into quarantine before visiting him. My take is if Putin would get hugged more this war wouldn't have happened, but those quarantine rules prevent that anybody comes close enough to hug him

[Geronimo]

No, that was never the goal. I was addressing the people who said this was about protecting Europe. The goal was a quick war and peace deal granting the east autonomy/independence with a Ukrainian commitment to neutrality. That failed when the Russian army advancing on Kiev was pulled back to deal with the war in the east, but that will be the end result. Eastern Ukraine will vote on their future and Kiev will be largely demilitarized.

Since when has any country had to be demilitarized? Even East and West Germany got capable modern militaries and after invading Iran and Kuwait and getting smacked with regime change Iraq and post Taliban Afghanistan got militaries. Where the hell does Russia get the right to have demilitarized neighbors? Especially neighbors it likes to annex land from?

[Uncle Sparky]

Japan after WW2 had to demilitarize... The two are the same thing for Berz and his types. When Mexico attacks the US to regain its occupied territories and avenge the way Hispanics are treated in the southern states, Berz and his kind will be 100% behind them.

[PLATO]

Since when has any country had to be demilitarized? Even East and West Germany got capable modern militaries and after invading Iran and Kuwait and getting smacked with regime change Iraq and post Taliban Afghanistan got militaries. Where the hell does Russia get the right to have demilitarized neighbors? Especially neighbors it likes to annex land from?

In "Berzworld" anything is possible.

[Uncle Sparky]

I'm sure the Russian army will provide security for Ukraine after demilitarization... just like the US did in Japan.

[Berzerker]

Do you think Russia will let Ukraine join Nato or re-arm after all this? The possible is a few months away.

[Berzerker]

Since when has any country had to be demilitarized? Even East and West Germany got capable modern militaries and after invading Iran and Kuwait and getting smacked with regime change Iraq and post Taliban Afghanistan got militaries. Where the hell does Russia get the right to have demilitarized neighbors? Especially neighbors it likes to annex land from?

After the USSR fell the west agreed not to push Nato weaponry into E Germany, but E Germany didn't spend 8 years in a proxy war on Russia's border. It took 8 years of war in the Donbas to get us here, did Russia 'like' that? We did.

[Geronimo]

After the USSR fell the west agreed not to push Nato weaponry into E Germany, but E Germany didn't spend 8 years in a proxy war on Russia's border. It took 8 years of war in the Donbas to get us here, did Russia 'like' that? We did.

It's none of Russia's business. This is like Grenada under Reagan when Washington would invade because an unfriendly leftist revolutionary coup tried to ally Grenada with Washington's enemies. Did you think that was just peachy Berz? Did Washington have a right to do that? What if Reagon had waited until a subsequent election replaced the leftist usurpers and then invaded to depose the new elected government multiple elections after the coup? Better? How about if after waiting for multiple elections to invade Reagon also annexed Grenada and rounded up all the children of the leftists and sent them to be adopted into US families? Is it getting better?

Russia is pulling the same heavy handed arrogant **** that you hated the US doing in the 80's. Why are you Okay with that?

[Berzerker]

Of course it's their business, Azov spent 8 years shelling the Donbas driving millions from their homes with many fleeing to Russia. Either you believe the people of the Donbas have the right to be left alone or you believe neo-Nazis have the moral authority to kill them for rejecting their right wing coup. If Trump actually seized power in a coup and sent a neo-Nazi army to attack Oregonians for 8 years because they refused to recognize his authority would you support Trump?

[Dinner]

After the USSR fell the west agreed not to push Nato weaponry into E Germany, but E Germany didn't spend 8 years in a proxy war on Russia's border. It took 8 years of war in the Donbas to get us here, did Russia 'like' that? We did.

Funny how no one there remembers that on either side. It was as only a decade later that Putin invented that lie. I guess a sucker is born every minute because you believed his B.S..

[BeBMan]

Meanwhile Putin admitted that Biden revealed that Medvedev said he and Zelensky agreed that Macron and Xi talked about Scholz who noted that Duda called Stoltenberg who phoned Schoigu when Peskov announced a prisoner swap where US journalist Gershkovich is released in exchange for Putin turning himself in to The Hague.

[Geronimo]

Of course it's their business, Azov spent 8 years shelling the Donbas driving millions from their homes with many fleeing to Russia. Either you believe the people of the Donbas have the right to be left alone or you believe neo-Nazis have the moral authority to kill them for rejecting their right wing coup. If Trump actually seized power in a coup and sent a neo-Nazi army to attack Oregonians for 8 years because they refused to recognize his authority would you support Trump?

There is no universe where the people in the Donbas are "left alone" by the special operation. Regardless of what a rogue president did anywhere a justification for another state to annex territory from the rogue president's state, especially under threat of use of WMD by the other state will never occur. In a scenario like that I'd want the separatists to surrender to the "nazis" and join them in repelling the WMD foreign state whether I lived there or if it was anyplace at all really.

Are you really saying that allowing prolonged separatist conflict to serve as an excuse for other countries to annex parts of the separatist areas would not be enormously destabilizing? That wouldn't invite hundreds of new conflicts and endless bloodshed? If it looks like having nukes is the price of admission for that behavior won't everybody need nukes to participate or to avoid it? That's OK Berz?