Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[N35t0r]

Putin felt he was backed into a corner and gave an ultimatum that was ignored since before 2008, so that reaction shouldn't have come as a surprise.

We've been over this a billion times. His response therefore was 'understandable' and the tactics used (with resulting war crimes - not to be condoned - but certainly to be predicted!) expected.

That is why the war had to be avoided at all costs and why by not avoiding it, the West and Zelensky have done the people of Ukraine a great disservice, to put things extremely mildly... 😢

Just to be clear, this 'corner' that Putin was put into, was not being free to recreate the Russian empire? Or do you have an actually valid point?

[N35t0r]

History doesn't begin with the most recent event in isolation.

Warsaw Pact forces were heavy-handed with the Czechs because of what happened in Hungary a decade earlier.

However dissention was allowed, as in the case of Romania and Albania.

You can't look at one event without understanding the picture as a whole.

I don't understand your problem with this?

Also, to accuse me of a thing you yourself do, is gross double standards at a minimum 😘

So your counterargument about why Ukraine should have tried to remain neutral (even though Moscow hardly lets countries under their own thumb go if they can help it) is that it was fine when the Soviets invaded Czechoslovakia because they had invaded Hungary ten years prior? And that's this somehow shouldn't further motivate countries trying to get themselves off Moscow's yoke to try and join the only alliance that had a proven track record of allowing exactly this?

Wait, maybe your mean that rather than trying to democratically steer their own country towards where the people wanted it to go, Ukraine should have gotten an iron-fisted dictator who regressed personal rights and impoverished the country, and then they might have gotten a bit of leeway?

[MOBIUS]

Russia started the war, so Moby's point to "avoid it" is bull****.

Putin felt he was backed into a corner and gave an ultimatum that was ignored since before 2008, so that reaction shouldn't have come as a surprise.

We've been over this a billion times. His response therefore was 'understandable' and the tactics used (with resulting war crimes - not to be condoned - but certainly to be predicted!) expected.

That is why the war had to be avoided at all costs and why by not avoiding it, the West and Zelensky have done the people of Ukraine a great disservice, to put things extremely mildly... 😢

[MOBIUS]

Right, those annoying Brits and French should have taken a better look at the Spanish civil war and just let Hitler split Poland with the Soviets. That would have avoided a lot of death.

Well, they should have also declared war on the Soviets, by that logic 😉

[MOBIUS]

Your points are mostly claiming something is self-evident, against the opinion of a large proportion of historians, laughing, and telling people to read Wikipedia.

Oh, and removing agency from like 80% of the world's population

You'll have to do better than that if you want people not to ignore your points.

History doesn't begin with the most recent event in isolation.

Warsaw Pact forces were heavy-handed with the Czechs because of what happened in Hungary a decade earlier.

However dissention was allowed, as in the case of Romania and Albania.

You can't look at one event without understanding the picture as a whole.

I don't understand your problem with this?

Also, to accuse me of a thing you yourself do, is gross double standards at a minimum 😘

[BeBMan]

Russia started the war, so Moby's point to "avoid it" is bull****.

[N35t0r]

Yes, continue to ignore my point: Russian tactics (war crimes) have been well documented, so war with Russia should have been avoided at all costs.

E.g. the flattening of Grozny and Aleppo should have provided a clue of what was going to happen...

Thank you for making my point so eloquently for me 🙂

Right, those annoying Brits and French should have taken a better look at the Spanish civil war and just let Hitler split Poland with the Soviets. That would have avoided a lot of death.

[MOBIUS]

Was that so hard? And if you don't see a "point" in highlighting Russian crimes in Ukraine while constantly coming up with excuses for the military invasion that enabled those crimes I can't help ya, but that's your prob, not mine

Yes, continue to ignore my point: Russian tactics (war crimes) have been well documented, so war with Russia should have been avoided at all costs.

E.g. the flattening of Grozny and Aleppo should have provided a clue of what was going to happen...

Thank you for making my point so eloquently for me 🙂

[N35t0r]

Ha ha, I don't post for a few hours and I'm accused of obfuscating in a pile-on 😂

Says all the people ignoring my points anyway...

Maybe I did answer your questions and they got deleted...? 😇

Your points are mostly claiming something is self-evident, against the opinion of a large proportion of historians, laughing, and telling people to read Wikipedia.

Oh, and removing agency from like 80% of the world's population

You'll have to do better than that if you want people not to ignore your points.

[BeBMan]

Russia has committed war crimes.

Was that so hard? And if you don't see a "point" in highlighting Russian crimes in Ukraine while constantly coming up with excuses for the military invasion that enabled those crimes I can't help ya, but that's your prob, not mine

[MOBIUS]

Quoted for hilarity. Now go into the other thread and adress the Wiki article on Russia's warcrimes in Ukraine.

Russia has committed war crimes.

What is your point?

[MOBIUS]

Clue: start with the Hungarian counterrevolution.

1968 is interesting in what was allowed to happen, as well as what wasn't allowed to happen.

Clue: Romania and Albania

Question: has anyone followed up on my earlier connected points about Austria, the creation of NATO and the creation of the Warsaw Pact in response...? Not to have done so would be being guilty of hypocrisy, no? 😘

[BeBMan]

A cursory reading of even the Wikipedia entry should furnish you with the necessary information. Do your own research.

Quoted for hilarity. Now go into the other thread and adress the Wiki article on Russia's warcrimes in Ukraine.

[MOBIUS]

Any time someone cites an example from history to support their argument just tell them to go read a history book without elaborating.

Are you all thick? Rhetorical question, I know...🙄

It's a clear event, look it up you morons...

[MOBIUS]

I also love when he skips anything that he doesn't want to adress (his decision, fine), and then comes out with "you're not adding anything substantial!11!!!1!" to his barrage of nonsense

Ha ha, I don't post for a few hours and I'm accused of obfuscating in a pile-on 😂

Says all the people ignoring my points anyway...

Maybe I did answer your questions and they got deleted...? 😇