Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Dinner]

Is guerilla warfare inherently immoral?

Inherently, no, but it is extremely difficult to follow the Geneva and Hague Conventions and do it.

[N35t0r]

Russian military bloggers are frothing that the Russian government blocked Discord, since it's part of the Russian armed forces battlefield command and control loop:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1844095103608160318.html

Second best army in Ukraine.

[dannubis]

Is guerilla warfare inherently immoral?

Show me where I said that. I made a comment on one of the main reasons why more civilian casualties occur in Gaza than in Ukraine.

[giblets]

No, but they ARE hiding behind them. The Ukrainian government evacuates its civilians from those areas that see the heaviest fighting. That is the difference between governments and terrorists.

Is guerilla warfare inherently immoral?

[Dinner]

Yes, they're actively trying to kill civilians, but simply don't have the decades of practice the Israelis do

Yes, they do. Russia's have always fought this way because they are unable to fight any other way. See Ukraine, Syria, Georgia, and Chechnya (twice). Israel actually takes great efforts not to harm civilians, some people are dumb enough to believe Islamist lies though, and the fact that Muslims actively try to use civilians as human shields. I guess you just aren't smart enough to know about reality though.

[dannubis]

Yes Hamas and Hezbollah are literally making the Israelis deliberately target civilians 👍

No, but they ARE hiding behind them. The Ukrainian government evacuates its civilians from those areas that see the heaviest fighting. That is the difference between governments and terrorists.

[BeBMan]

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/10/08/mom-i-m-probably-going-to-die-soon-russian-teenager-in-prison-for-anti-putin-flyers-says-cellmate-brutally-beat-him

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/10/07/imprisoned-tortured-and-killed-at-the-front-the-life-and-death-of-anti-kremlin-activist-ildar-dadin

[dannubis]

And yet the Russians have killed fewer civilians in Ukraine over a much longer timeframe than the Israelis have in Gaza, the West Bank, and Lebanon...

Neither is it murdering the civilians of a neutral country, or bombing its capital and hospitals 🙄🤷♂️

I think that the fact that the Ukrainian governement -unlike hamas, hezbollah, and those other shining beacons of freedom and properity- is actually trying to minimize civilian casualties has something to do with the discrepancy in numbers

[BeBMan]

Y'all have no sense for reality! BTW here's how things were back in the 1700s....

[Dinner]

Plus the Russians are incompetent.

Their incompetence is a large part of why they illegally target civilian infrastructure. It is large and it doesn't move so it is the main thing they can reliably hit.

[The Mad Monk]

Of course, this is nothing new when it comes to Russia.

The Decembrist conspiracy and its aftermath were thus one of the great turning points in history, a sinister signpost toward the horrors of the 20th century. Almost everything about this event had a gruesome symbolism, not excepting the executions of the five officers the Tsar did choose to hang, on 13 July 1826. The gallows had been hastily and badly erected during the previous night, on the glasis of the Peter-Paul Fortress. The morning was dark and misty, so fires were lit near the square into which all the prisoners had been herded to witness the deaths. At 3 A.M. the condemned men were led out. Their epaulets and uniforms were stripped off and cast on the flames. Much vodka had been drunk. There was laughter and buffoonery, one man, Iakubovich, wearing a plumed officer's hat, high boots, and a short dressing gown down to his knees. The five condemned men had notices saying "Criminals--Regicides!" hanging round their chests. They were blessed by Archpriest Myslowskii, even Pestel (a Lutheran) receiving his viaticum. The ropes were then put on, hoods slipped over their faces, and supports pulled away. Three of the men fell off, unharmed. One of the generals in charge ran up shouting, fatuously, "Faster, faster!" Muravev, rolling on the ground where he had fallen, shouted: "My God! In this hopeless country they cannot even hang people properly." It was the authentic voice of Russia, despairing but also ironic. Moments later all five men were dead.

From The Birth Of The Modern, by Paul Johnson

[The Mad Monk]

Plus the Russians are incompetent.

[Geronimo]

And yet the Russians have killed fewer civilians in Ukraine over a much longer timeframe than the Israelis have in Gaza, the West Bank, and Lebanon...

Neither is it murdering the civilians of a neutral country, or bombing its capital and hospitals 🙄🤷♂️

it's all population density. The Gazans are bottled up in a tiny territory and the Ukrainians are not. Ukrainians were allowed to leave Ukraine en masse by their neighbors and Gazans were not.

[BeBMan]

Nice little chitchat

[The Mad Monk]

Yes, interesting.

edit: that was directed at BlackCat's YT, which goes into why Russia is punishing civilians, among other things.