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Originally posted by Serb View Post
Let's assume the "coup" is just like the ukrainian "coup". Russia pays mexican snipers to kill 100 people on both sides of a protest and the Mexican congress then deposes the president with less than a quorum to do so via the usual process by exploiting a constitutional ambiguity to do so through unconventional legislation. Let's assume uncle Sam funds a separatist uprising in border provinces complete with US military advisors and a constant flow of US arms and US born CIA citizens in control of these "Separatists". Let's also assume that only about 3-4k max civilians were killed in Mexico and the rest were thousands of casualties among the soldiers of both sides.
The US would have no legal basis in this scenario to annex any portion of Mexico. The US also would bear responsibility for the casualties of the pseudo separatist war run by their CIA agent. If the US then launched a massive invasion to denazify Mexico because it was not a legitimate state and should have remained part of the US I would certainly oppose that. If the US just invaded to "restore peace" and end the war while annexing parts of Mexico due to the results of "elections" administered by soldiers I would oppose that. If the US invaded to "restore peace" without any international mandate even if they weren't going to annex parts of Mexico, I would oppose that.
Perhaps, if the US had ironclad evidence of direct attacks against civilians I might accept US stand off weapon attacks against the forces in the act of attacking civilians so they have an incentive to make better use of their military resources. I would *not* accept a vast campaign of conquest 2003 Iraq style against the entirety of Mexico.
So what would you Serb, and you Berz, advocate in the hypothetical scenario Serb sets for the US here?Comment
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Point us to the specific pieces of Ukrainian legislation and specific executive orders behind all of these crimes and we can discuss them. These things are matters of public record.Originally posted by Serb View PostYou call an abundant democracy a country where all opposition parties are banned, where all opposition media are closed, where the main Christianty brach is banned and thousands of churches ond monasteries are seized, where you could be captured, tortured and killed without any trial, where you could be easily tied to the pole, pull down your pants and publically executed you for just SPEAKING YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE!!!
A highly Nazified country where MAIN National heroes are Nazi collaborators, responsible for extermination of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Jews, Russians, Poles, Gypsies during the WW2.
You support a ****** Nazis, because you are Nazis yourselves!
Period!
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I a m S e r b!!!Originally posted by Geronimo View PostI'm glad you've stuck around 23 years to discuss. Not often civilly I have to admit, but you still discuss.
And I will always stand on my own, because the truth in on my side!
All of the cities of Donbass.What cities did the Ukrainians hit with massed artillery?
I've shown you video reports from the American ex-marine Russel Bently.
You didn't give a damn about all video evidences.
And surelly your mainstream media will never show you the war crimes of Ukraine.
They do even better - they took video of Ukranian war crimes and say that it's Russia.
Not even a close to what you have did!Was it ok for Grozny to be hit with massed artillery?
When we fought against inetrnational terrorists, sponsored and supported by YOU (the West), you called them freedom fighters, and wholeheartly supported people who took pregnant women as hostages and blew civilian buildings. You did support those separatists, unlike the separatism of Donbass region. So, you are just double talking liars!
As for your question, unlike Ukranian Nazis, who use civilians as a human shield and placing their weapon systems like Patriot inside the civilan blocks (which leads to casualities among civilians, when YOUR AA-systenms fail and hit the civilian buildings, your media portray as acts of Russian atrocities), when we stormed Grozny, we had provided a humanitarian corridor and let civilians to flee the city. Same story in Ukraine - we provide a safe passage for civilians, but your Ukro-Nazi lackeys just don't let the civilians to leave a war zone, because their need them as a human shield.
That tactics was implemented first by you with your another private army - ISIS. It's absolutely the same!!!
Grozny now is one of the most beatiful and incredibly safe Russian cities!You hold up Grozny as a literal shining example because after it was flattened and the local leadership subverted to Moscow, Moscow funded a huge rebuilding.
A Western eye witness:
And from the drone with no comments:
Tell me, what American invasion forces had left in the cities of Iraq and Afghanistan that they have leveled to the ground without any corridors for civilians to exit?
YOU HAVE KILLED MILLIONS!!!
Literally - MILLIONS!!!
And left only RUINS!!!
Period!
(not that I expect that your media will ever show you results of your artillery sheling of Fallujah for example and how those ruins still look like).
So, you don't have any moral ground to lecture us about anything!
Guess whom Ukranian "freedom fighters" fear more than Russians now?
Chechens!!!
Because we have settled our problems between us and now they are our Muslim brothers and fierce warriors fighting against you and your Shaitan (Satan) puppet!
We are in the same boat now, despite the war we had 20+ years ago.
And they are as Russian, as myself!
Because to be Russian is not about ethnicity or Religion, it is about how you define yourself and how do you see and feel the other World.
It's about a common culture, which combines 193 EQUAL nationalities and languages, where each one is unique, but alltogether they create a single Russian symphony!
You, colonial West, and genocide doers, will never understand that!
So, when entrapped in their Donbass basements Russian speaking civilians, used as human shield heard "Allah akbar!!" their reply was - "Thanks God, our guys are came!"
And that is no joke and propaganda!
Allakh just mean "God" or "Allmighty" in Arabic. Simple as that.
And we've been living with our Muslim brothers for centuries in one country peacefully.
Unlike you!!!
They didn't invest a penny in the Donbass region before 2014, instead they were just sucking all blood from it.Was Ukraine ever given a chance to do any huge rebuilding in Donbas. Well, not anywhere the separatists kept control of.
Your fantasies about how they could have rebuild places for the population they hate so much (Russians in Donbass) are either a naive ignorance or intentional bullsh!t!
Or an escape from reality.
I was in Crimea in 2006, me and my wife had a vacation there.
And I was in Crimea before, when I was kid. The only reason we went to Crimea was to visit the Sevastopol, where my grandfather was wounded and received another medal for liberation of Crimea fro m the Nazis.
Crimea is poured with Russian blood since the 18th century and "Ukraine" has nothing common with Crimea!!!
NOTHING!!!
It is a Russian land!!!
So, in 2006, after 15 years of Ukranian rule they have turned the place into a complete sh!thole!
It was awful!
In 2006 the place was worse than it was in Soviet Union in late 80's.
And since we get Crimea back in 2014, we have turned it to a candy!
PERIOD!!!
But the Ukrainians did regain control of Mariupol, with plenty of Azov military formation credit for the job.
You mean this Azov?
In Nazi Germany, the Wolfsangel symbol was widely adopted in Nazi symbolism. It is not clear whether the driver of its adoption was Hitler's strong personal association with wolf imagery (the Wolf's Lair for example), or to create an association with the post-15th-century symbol of German independence and liberty, which had a particular relationship to the achievement of German freedom from foreign influence by force.[A Nazi leader and his family. The youngest girls wear Wolfsangel symbols in horizontal form as members of NS-Frauenschaft's Deutsche Kinderschar for children.
The symbol was used by a range of military and non-military Nazi-linked groups, including:- the 19th Infantry Division (Wehrmacht)
- the 19th Panzer Division (Wehrmacht)
- the 33rd Infantry Division (Wehrmacht)
- the 206th Infantry Division (Wehrmacht)
- the 256th Infantry Division (Wehrmacht)
- the 2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich
- the 4th SS Polizei Panzergrenadier Division
- the 34th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Landstorm Nederland
- the Sturmabteilung "Feldherrnhalle" Wachstandart Kampfrunen (SA "Warlord's Hall" Guard Regiment)
- the NS-Volkswohlfahrt organization
- the Flämische Nazionalsozialistische Kraftfahr Korps (Vlaamsche NSKK)
- the "Vlaamse wacht" / zwarte brigade (Flemish guard / Black brigade)
- the "Dietse Militie" (Dietsch militia)
- the Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging NSB, Dutch Nazi fascist party, whose magazine was De Wolfsangel
- the Werwolf plan of resistance against allied occupation was intended to use this symbol
Or maybe this Nazi Donbass batallion?
Where can I get your weed or heroin?They turned Mariupol into a gleaming gem like Grozny.
You have no clue what your Nazis dogs were doing to the local population!
How many people have been raped and tortured to death for supporting Russia.
Their best entertainment was to foam (construction foam from balloons) female vaginas.
Just like your ISIS puppets foamed the throats of their prisoners in Syria.
They DID!!!If they just wanted to kill ethnic Russians, why would they spruce up one of their largest cities like that?
But your media will never tell you about that!
I have made a typo, not 2500, but 250 000 (two handred and fifty thousands!) were prepared to invide Donbass and had started all the preliminary action like heavy bombardment of the other side positions (cease fire of Minsk agreement? Nah, never heard about that within the last eight years).One week before the February 24, 2022, 2500 Ukrainian troops were massed to start a heavy bombardment of Donbass cities.
What an incredible joke. Do you not see that in that same time frame over 100,000 (over 200k in hindsight) Russian troops were massed to start heavy bombardment of all Ukrainian cities anywhere near any part of Russia, Belarus, or the Donbass?
I have spilled beer on my keyboard, so the "0" button on my numpad doesn't work properly now.
You idiots and your Ukranian puppets!Who is going to believe the Ukrainians wanted to attack the Donbas but would wait until there were 100K+ massed Russian forces all around them to do it?
When we have started our operation we have been outnumbered 3 to 1!
But still was managed to fking crush your puppets.
Knowing that force ratio surelly they thought we would never risk to help Donbass in a full scale intervention.
Saakashvili thought so in 2008, when he attacked Osetia.
Idiots always have their own plans and patters.
250 000, not 2500!!!That would be like if right before the 2003 invasion of Iraq Americans had been shown coverage of massed attacks by Iraqi forces on Kuwaiti citizens by 2500 massed Iraqi forces.
According to internationally recognized borders Ukraine is a part of USSR or a separatist republic itself.Who believe such crap? And of course that's not even considering that Iraq would have no authorization to operate into another country while everything you accuse Ukraine of was within the legal internationally recognized borders of Ukraine and would be on a much smaller scale than what happened to Grozny. Please Serb...
Period!
You can't support separatism in one case and oppose it in another (unless you are a total lying bastard or an American).
Period!
A law existed for decades to ban the Kurdish language in Turkey and nobody here cared. Now we're supposed to be bothered by your claim of a similar law against Russian in Ukraine? But let's examine the legal situation over that time frame for use the Russian language in Ukraine. This is a matter of public record Serb.
the laws and policies that affected the status and use of Russian and other minority languages in Ukraine from 2013 to February 2021 were:- The 2012 law On the principles of the State language policy [ uk], which granted regional language status to Russian and other minority languages. It allowed the use of minority languages in courts, schools and other government institutions in areas of Ukraine where the national minorities exceed 10% of the population. The 2012 law was supported by the governing Party of Regions and opposed by the opposition parties, who argued that the law undermined the role of the Ukrainian language, violated Article 10 of the Constitution, and was adopted with an irregular procedure.
- The 2014 repeal of the 2012 law by the Ukrainian Parliament, which was vetoed by the acting President Turchynov. Immediately after the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, on 23 February 2014, the Ukrainian Parliament voted to repeal the 2012 law. This decision was vetoed by the acting President Turchynov, who said that it was a mistake that could cause unrest among Russian speakers in Ukraine. The repeal was also criticized by Russia and some international organizations as a violation of minority rights.
- The 2017 law On education, which made Ukrainian the mandatory language of instruction in all schools from grade five onwards. The law also limited the use of minority languages in preschool and primary education to separate classes or groups within public institutions. The law aimed to promote Ukrainian as a state language and a tool for integration and social mobility. The law was challenged by several neighboring countries, such as Hungary, Romania, Poland, and Russia, who claimed that it violated the rights of their ethnic minorities in Ukraine. The law was also reviewed by the Venice Commission, which recommended some amendments to ensure a balance between linguistic diversity and social cohesion.
- The 2019 law On supporting the functioning of the Ukrainian language as the State language, which made the use of Ukrainian compulsory (totally or within quotas) in more than 30 spheres of public life, including public administration, electoral process, education, science, culture, media, economic and social life, health and care institutions, and activities of political parties. The law did not regulate private communication. Some exemptions were provided for the official languages of the European Union and for minority languages, with the exclusion of Russian, Belarusian and Yiddish. The law aimed to revitalize the Ukrainian language and reinforce national identity after Russia’s annexation of Crimea and military intervention in Donbas. The law was also reviewed by the Venice Commission, which expressed concern about its failure to protect minority languages.
Just, in what kind of fairy World you are living at, really?
You can be beaten nearly to death and sometimes to death for just speaking Russian at Ukraine.
It is a highly NAZIFIED society!
Period!
LOL! We were!But whatever, right? You must know what your talking about and the Ukrainians must've banned the Russian language and half of Ukraine was ethnic Russians who spoke Russian as their first language and 90% used it as at least a second language. How in the hell would the Russian army not have rolled in greeted with flowers in that case?
By the people of Donbass (which is a historically Russian lands, populated by Russians, but given away to the Ukranian Soviet Socialistic Republic by Lenin in 1920's).
Once again - I have made a typo, not 2500, but 250 000 (two handred and fifty thousands!) were prepared to invide Donbass and had started all the preliminary actions like heavy bombardment of the other side positions (cease fire of Minsk agreement? Nah, we never heard about it).
Where did you get your 90% support number?90% local support wasn't good enough? The Russian military incompetency demonstrated by rolling a millitary superpower into a neighboring country in which they enjoyed 90% support and 50% shared national identity and somehow failing to conquer it, let alone hold onto their gains must be truly and hilariously profound. Russia will never live this down. Where is Ukraine getting their 8 waves of mobilization from to outnumber the Russian soldiers? I would think morale would be pretty low with 90% opposition to the Ukrainian state among their recruitment pool.
Anyhow, you are LOL, really!
They live in a Nazi state, where they grab any male on the street and throw him to die at battlefield, including disabled people.
It's unbelievable that you have your eyes wide shut about all the Ukranian videos of forced mobilization.
Do you need me to provide you some example of how Ukranians themselves shot videos about male persons being beated and grabbed to war by Ukranian mobilization team, who are patrolling their cities?
You don't believe me (as any brainwashed Westerner, whom its media never shows that?)
Ok, I'll start with one:
A male civilian person throwing stones to the "conscription" officer who wanted to enlist him.
This guy was lucky to get away.
Meanwhile in "Soviet" Russia there are over 1500 (one thousand and five hundred) are volunteering to the army EVERY DAY!!!
Without any coercion.
While Ukraine are losing about 1000 KIA daily!
You can shove your UN estimates where it belongs to.Nobody anywhere says or ever said anything like 15k civilians killed. That total is almost the same as the total number of all conflict related fatalities on both sides of all civilians and all combatants. There is no conceivable way that the overwhelming majority of those killed were not soldiers. The absolute highest fraction of civilians I could find anywhere was 24% civillian. Most go with 15% civilians.
They were trying to make sense to Ukranian masters (USA and EU).If your sources claim 15k was civilians what were the Donbas separatists and their Russian advisers and FSB leadership doing all that time? Were they just sitting with their thumbs up their arses watching the civilians die so they could show it on prime time Russian TV? Please....
The cease fire treaty was signed at Minsk in 2014. The whole point of the agreement was to give Donbass a wide autonomy, but keep them inside the Ukranian state.
You have supported this agreement (as long as Russians let Ukrainian forces out from pockets).
Acording to the confessions of Ukranian president Poroshenko, cancelour of Germany Merkel and president of France Oland whom signed this agreement, it was just a delay to build-up Ukranian army and resolve the conflict by force (as the time has shown - in 2014).
They, THEMSELVES have confessed about that!
All three of them have publicly said that they have lied to Russia!
LIED!!!
Same was during the Istanbul deal.
You simply CANNOT be trusted, Americans!
Because Ukraine is just your mad dog, wich decides nothing and all decisions are made in Washington D.C.
You are proven liars nobody wants to deal with.
That is bullsh!t!If you're right Serb, the Ukrainians aren't very good at hitting civilian targets, judging by satellite photos by all sources over the years. They also apparently got a lot better at it after the Russian army showed up to liberate them
You are eating what they feed you!
Literally you eat sh!t!
And pretty happy to eat that sh!t!
They took a video of shelling of Donetsk and tell you that it's a Russian attack on civilian targets.
Same was in Syria.
You are living in world of lies, Geronimo!
We don't really care what a Western brainwashed population think.I don't think civilians get a lot of options in surprise wars. I think there is plenty of evidence that Russia aggressively herds and corals the civillian populations when they occupy an area.
You don't understand a simple thing, really!The civilians who ended up in Russia saw what was happening to the people staying and they knew there was only one place they could hope to reach while staying on Russian good graces. I also think that Ukrainian civilians who would rather die than go to Russia are not necessarily going to the EU. They feel they have something important to do for Ukraine first. We would expect Russia to be over-represented among refugee destinations if the overwhelming majority of those who want to stay or to stay and fight were sympathetic to Ukraine.
In any case refugee migration routes and destinations are overwhelmingly determine first by safety (which is often dominated by declared dictates of the controlling armed forces). When they have reached their first destination their options are dominated by the laws and policies of the government they find there.
There are 5.3 million of Ukranian refugees in Russia and 4.9 million in whole Europe!
And that number doesn't include millions who hd moved to Russia right after the coup of the 2014, 'cause they knew where it is going to.
You simply cannot understand that we are ONE PEOPLE!!!
And absolute majority of us have relatives, God damn you, VERY CLOSE RELATIVES at Ukraine, just as well as them have a very close relatives in Russia.
(to whom they have moved when YOU HAVE STARTED TO THROW A SH!T ON THE FAN IN 2014!!!)
My grandma was born at Kiev an a 100% Ukranian.
We just lived in ONE STATE FOR CENTURIES, God damn you!!!
BURN in HELL with all your American LIES!!!
"Our cause is just. The enemy will be defeated. Victory will be ours!!!"
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My reply is unapproved, Geronimo.
Despite I have intentionally edited it before posting and excluded all bad words.
A freedom of speech at its best!
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the most misinformed party in our country is censoring the internetOriginally posted by Serb View PostComment
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And the Nazi party in our country wants to end the constitution and change to a dictatorship while limiting rights to everybody that isn't male, white and christian.Originally posted by Berzerker View PostKeep on Civin'
RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron OComment
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The kids weren't from western Ukraine and sending them there puts them at risk of conscription. We armed them to wage a proxy war on Russia, most of the dead were ethnic Russians. Obviously Azov and like-minded right wing Ukrainians want to rid their society of people who dont fit in, it starts with cultural cleansing leading to an exodus of the target population and a resistance movement. Thanks to our leaders we chose to help the Nazis because they think it hurts Russia. Same thing with ISIS in Syria, arm the 'Nazis' to hurt Assad/Russia. Afghanistan too, we armed fanatics to destroy the country to compel a Russian intervention. You cant see the pattern?Originally posted by Geronimo View PostComment
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And now the Russians are fighting a war that is killing far more of them. They aren't doing this for any reason except to take more land. They will continue to rape and kill the "Russians" they claim they are protecting.
Keep on Civin'
RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron OComment
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Chernihiv: Russian missile strike kills seven and injures 144, Ukraine says
Seven people, including a six-year-old girl, were killed when a Russian missile struck a theatre in the northern Ukrainian city of Chernihiv on Saturday morning, officials have said.
Fifteen children were among 144 people wounded, the police said. At least 25 people were in hospital.
Among the victims were people who had been celebrating an Orthodox Christian holiday at church.
A main square and a university building were also damaged in the attack.
The UN called it "heinous", while Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky vowed a firm response by Ukrainian soldiers to a "terrorist attack".
Chernihiv is located about 50km (31 miles) south of Ukraine's border with Belarus. It was besieged by Russian troops in the first few months of President Vladimir Putin's full-scale invasion launched in February 2022.
The city's imposing theatre was hit directly. Tiles were blown off the roofs of neighbouring buildings with one catching fire 100 metres away.
The theatre was hosting a gathering of drone manufacturers, the acting mayor of Chernihiv told the BBC.
"I understand that their aim was a military event taking place in the building of the drama theatre and that it was their target," Oleksandr Lomako said.
"But it is clear that the Russians launching those missiles and those giving them orders in the middle of the day to the civilian city realised that the victims will be primarily civilians.
"There is no other way to interpret it than a war crime against civilians, yet another Russian war crime," he added.
Ukrainian Interior Minister Ihor Klymenko later said all those inside the theatre had managed to reach shelter in time.
He said that "most of the victims were in their vehicles or crossing the road at the time of the rocket strike, as well as returning from a church".- War in maps: Ukraine advances around two villages
- ‘Russia said I was dead’ – voices of Ukraine’s front-line women
Anna Zahreba, the manager of a Crimean Tatar restaurant just across the street from the theatre, said her staff were getting ready for a busy day when the missile hit.
"I ran outside to see what was going on," she said. "There were two 12-year-old girls here and a lot of blood. One had her leg badly wounded. Another girl was screaming.
"We applied a tourniquet and waited for an ambulance. It was taking a long time to get here, but some man stopped his car and we took a girl to a hospital."
Anna says staff rushed to help injured people with medical kit and blankets.
"There are always many people walking around here, with children and baby strollers. Many restaurants and cafes in the area," she tells us.
"We did not expect a day like this."
In his video address late on Saturday, President Zelensky said the child killed in the Russian strike was a girl named Sofia.
Earlier, he said that Russia had turned an "ordinary Saturday" into "a day of pain and loss".
The UN said it was "extremely disturbed" by the attack.
"It is heinous to attack the main square of a large city, in the morning, while people are out walking, some going to the church to celebrate a religious day for many Ukrainians," Denise Brown, the current head of the UN in Ukraine, said in a statement.
"Attacks directed against civilians or civilian objects are strictly prohibited under international humanitarian law," she said. "It must stop."
Three days of mourning have been announced in the city.
Moscow is yet to comment.
Elsewhere, Russia has claimed that a Ukrainian drone hit a military airfield in the northwest Novgorod region, causing a fire that was quickly put out.
One plane was damaged but no casualties have been reported, it added.
Ukraine has not commented on the alleged drone attack.
Meanwhile, Kyiv's air force said the Ukrainian military had shot down 15 out of 17 Iranian-made Shahed drones launched by Moscow in an overnight strike.
I am not delusional! Now if you'll excuse me, i'm gonna go dance with the purple wombat who's playing show-tunes in my coffee cup!
Rules are like Egg's. They're fun when thrown out the window!
Difference is irrelevant when dosage is higher than recommended!Comment
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Jamal Bowman (D-NY) was asked how he felt about Crimea and the Donbas and he didn't know what they were... at least Gary Johnson wasn't arming ISIS to destroy Aleppo when he didn't recognise the name.Comment
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Russian women fear return of murderers freed to fight for Wagner
Concern that convicts re-entering society after stints in Ukraine will bring ‘wave of murder, rape and domestic violence’
The 2020 murder of Vera Pekhteleva, by her ex-boyfriend, was so gruesome that even in Russia, where violence against women often goes under the radar, it caused a media outcry.
Vladislav Kanyus spent hours torturing Pekhteleva before she died; neighbours repeatedly called police to report horrifying screams coming from the neighbouring apartment, but the police did not show up. At trial, it emerged there had been 111 injuries on Pekhteleva’s body.
Last summer, a court in Siberia sentenced Kanyus to 17 years in prison for the murder. Pekhteleva’s family members were disappointed that the judge dismissed additional charges of rape and unlawful imprisonment, but breathed a sigh of relief that the murder charge alone would put Kanyus behind bars for 17 years.
Nine months later, in the middle of May, Pekhteleva’s mother received two photographs from an anonymous account on WhatsApp. They showed a man in military fatigues and were accompanied by a message: “Kanyus is free, and fighting in Ukraine.”
“I couldn’t believe my eyes, I tried to calm her down, I tried to say it wasn’t him, it was Photoshop. But we quickly realised it really was him,” said Vladimir Pekhtelev, Vera’s uncle, in a telephone interview from the Siberian city of Kemerovo.
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