Who do you tip to win the US presidential election

[Jon Miller]

If that were so he could force audits. He can't even do that.

He can apply a lot of pressure on the people responsible. Which he had done, as has some senators (like Lindsey, Kelly and David). This is anti-democratic, and at least in Lindsey's case possibly illegal.

Trump has openly asked legislatures from Pennsylvania and Michigan (which have the highest Biden counts, of the 'flipped' states) to invalidate the will of the people. I know nothing that is worse from a President.

JM

[Kidlicious]

He can apply a lot of pressure on the people responsible. Which he had done, as has some senators (like Lindsey, Kelly and David). This is anti-democratic, and at least in Lindsey's case possibly illegal.

Trump has openly asked legislatures from Pennsylvania and Michigan (which have the highest Biden counts, of the 'flipped' states) to invalidate the will of the people. I know nothing that is worse from a President.

JM

1) Lindsey Graham simply asked for fraudulent ballots to be thrown out. That's a good thing to do. The bad thing is when you accuse people of fraud when in fact you're the one who refuses to throw out fraudulent ballots. So again, the evidence is that the fraud favors Biden. Or do you think they threw out the fraudulent ballots? No they didn't. They counted them, which is fraud

2) Trump hasn't asked anyone to invalidate the will of the people. That's a lie, and it's a lie designed to cover up the fraud. Psychops don't work on the wise pal, so try some evidence. Or do an audit.

[giblets]

Trump is trying his hardest to be ranked lower than George Bush, Andrew Johnson or James Buchanan.

[Kidlicious]

Audits and recounts are similar although I know in some cases they may be different.

Recounts have happened/are happening in (hand!) Georgia and Wisconsin (only Democratic majority countries in Wisconsin?).

So you are wrong, as you have continually been, about no audits/recounts happening.

JM

No. A recount simply recounts the ballots. It does not check for fraud. So maybe you need to ask yourself why your news source is leaving you with the impression that they are the same thing.

[-Jrabbit]

Trump's team has had over two weeks to come up with concrete evidence of fraud. They have delivered none. They are continually losing their rapid-fire lawsuits for this reason. Both judges and state electoral officials - many of them Republican - keep announcing that there is no evidence of voter fraud. And for your information, election judges from both parties keep agreeing on the vote totals. All this BS you keep spouting about "audits" and "statistical analysis" are just hail-mary passes, feeding red meat to the base in the full knowledge that nothing is changing the numbers.

The people have spoken.

So what we're now dealing with is Trump's attempt to subvert the will of the people and end democracy as we know it, in direct violation of his oath of office.

[Ted Striker]

[-Jrabbit]

Trump win in PA, several thousand thrown out.

The ruling concerns a relatively small number of voters that are not even included in the election results for the state; they had already been held separately. So this "win" doesn't affect the vote totals, with Biden leading by over 62,000 votes with more than 98 percent of estimated votes reported.

BTW, in another Pennsylvania case ruling today, the Trump cause was torpedoed yet again: an appeals court upheld the state’s method of handling post-Election Day absentee ballots, which could add more votes to Biden’s total.

[Ted Striker]

He still has 27 losses to that 1 win LOL

[Kidlicious]

You don't seem to realize that the statistical evidence determines that the chance of Biden winning without fraud is insignificant. No audit means no legitimacy.

[Serb]

It's Not Who Votes That Counts, It's Who Counts The Votes!

[Ted Striker]

I like Generals who don't get beat by Poland

[Ted Striker]

[Kidlicious]

Preponderance of the evidence is the standard, not beyond reasonable doubt. The media is giving the wrong impression.

[pchang]

So, this is just a civil suit now?

[giblets]

You have neither.

[Ming]

Preponderance of the evidence is the standard, not beyond reasonable doubt. The media is giving the wrong impression.

Nope, only Trump and his cult followers are giving the wrong impression. All of his supposed "evidence" is BS... he keeps losing in court because of his lack of evidence. And now, you can see how desperate he is, and how he knows he lost the actual vote so he's trying to get around the voters.

Tweets don't win elections. Votes do.

[-Jrabbit]

Looking at who controls the voting systems and infrastructure, any reasonable person would say: If there's fraud, it's far more likely to be by Republicans.

Control of contested states:
Georgia: full GOP control, incl Governor and both houses of state congress
Pennsylvania: Dem governor, but GOP controls both houses of state congress
Arizona: full GOP control, incl Governor and both houses of state congress
Wisconsin: Dem governor, but strong GOP control of both state houses
Michigan: Dem governor, but strong GOP control of both state houses

Since the Republicans are in control of all these states Trump is (vainly) contesting, that means the GOP is totally incompetent in their jobs vis-a-vis running an election.

[Jon Miller]

Preponderance of the evidence is the standard, not beyond reasonable doubt. The media is giving the wrong impression.

But neither you nor Trump's lawyers have been able to point to any evidence.

You are now claiming statistical evidence, but this is because you don't understand statistics.

JM

[Kidlicious]

Nope, only Trump and his cult followers are giving the wrong impression. All of his supposed "evidence" is BS... he keeps losing in court because of his lack of evidence. And now, you can see how desperate he is, and how he knows he lost the actual vote so he's trying to get around the voters.

Tweets don't win elections. Votes do.

Sure it is. For example, the standard in Bush v Gore was preponderance of the evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. And activist judges mean nothing.

[Ming]

Reality...
The Trump administration’s own top cybersecurity official, election officials from both parties in all 50 states and international observers have affirmed that the Nov. 3 contest was secure and not hampered by widespread irregularities or fraud.

Meanwhile, judges across the country have dismissed lawsuits brought by the Trump campaign seeking to invalidate millions of ballots over the unfounded accusations, possibly explaining why the president is seeking to bring his pitch directly to state legislators.

Trump and his Cult...
Trump won